Bugel asks Ramsey to show something

[MTK]

I was reading on another board this morning that on WTEM they played a clip of Bugel asking Ramsey to show something, implying that he's not practicing hard and that's part of the reason Gibbs hasn't gone to him.

Did anyone else hear this? Is this the correct interpretation of the quote?

I've always thought of Ramsey as a hard worker, I really hope this isn't true but at this point I wouldn't be surprised.

There seems to be some underlying factors we don't know or understand that could explain why Gibbs seems to be shunning Ramsey.

[Krills]

I haven't heard that. Like you, I thought Ramsey has a good work ethic. I do think Brunell won the job in the preseason, so maybe Ramsey is still struggling in weekly practice. That sure would explain alot. "Come on Ram, tighten up. We need you in there."

[skins009]

I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. Second Gibbs always stays loyal to his vets. Lets not forget that GIbbs and brunnel are buddy buddy, they got the whole religion thing in common and other stuff. ANd third and most importantly, this is Ramsey's first time in a NFL offense. I'm sure there has been some things that Ramsey had been slow to pick up on. He needs time. But he also needs experience.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by skins009

I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. Second Gibbs always stays loyal to his vets. Lets not forget that GIbbs and brunnel are buddy buddy, they got the whole religion thing in common and other stuff. ANd third and most importantly, this is Ramsey's first time in a NFL offense. I'm sure there has been some things that Ramsey had been slow to pick up on. He needs time. But he also needs experience.

Ramsey also has the whole 'religion thing' in common with Gibbs, but that has nothing to do with it anyways.

Charles Mann said that Ramsey is learning more standing on the sidelines listening to everything the coaching staff says about every plan than he would if he were on the field.

This whole situation might boil down to what one of the Fox guys said; Ramsey is still scared of Gibbs. Think about it. If you're nervous around somebody, you're gonna tighten up a bit. From what Matty said, Patrick isn't showing all he can do in practice, which goes with what I said above. If this is the case, it's really not a work ethic issue.

[Shane]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Ramsey also has the whole 'religion thing' in common with Gibbs, but that has nothing to do with it anyways.

There is not a chance in hell that Gibbs chooses players due to their religion. Gibbs never even asks players what religious views or backgrounds they have, never checks to see who goes to religious gatherings of the players and makes a specific point not to know these things. Gibbs always makes decisions based on who the best player is on the team to play, and obviously Brunell gives us the best chance to win.

The Doc Walker interview made it sound like Ramsey was making a lot of progress in learning the system, and that sounded encouraging. But there is a lot more to quarterbacking than learning the system. I think he really doesn't show them he has the necessary spark for them to hang their fortunes on.

They aren't coming out of retirement to put their fate in the hands of a young man who has not had much experience as a quarterback before coming to the NFL and who apparently still isn't showing spark and who makes too many mistakes when he does get in there.

[wolfeskins]

great point skinsoo9 , it realy didn't sink in that ramsey , while starting in the nfl , was playing in a college system , not an nfl system. i had'nt realy thought of it that way before.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by skins009

I think there are a couple of factors with Ramsey right now. First Gibbs probably still has a bad tast in his mouth from the Giants game. Even a couple of the picks weren't his fault, he def. shouldn't his inexperience. ...

I wonder if Gibbs would stick with a guy like Farve? There is a guy who wins games, but definatly does not always play thing safe. He throws INT's but throws the TD's to win the game. I would just like to see if Ramsey can win the game where 14 pt's aren't enough. Not that Ramsey is Farve, but I think that using the current philosphy, Farve would be on the bench watching Brunnel.

[skins009]

I still believe though we got nothing to lose now, if i were coach I would wait a couple of more weeks, just so Ramsey has more time to learn. Get the Stealers and Eages out of the way and then put him in. Brunnel is clearly not gonna take us to the promise land, so lets hand it over to the guy that can.

[Redskins_P]

Yeah, I saw it live on the News. He said something like this: "If you ask me to say one thing to Ramsey it would be step up and show us something in practice. Prove to us that you want to step up and play". That's probably not accurate but it was something like that.


Kinda makes you wonder how bad does Ramsey look at practice? Hopefully he heard it and will step up.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Yeah, I saw it live on the News. He said something like this: "If you ask me to say one thing to Ramsey it would be step up and show us something in practice. Prove to us that you want to step up and play". That's probably not accurate but it was something like that.


Kinda makes you wonder how bad does Ramsey look at practice? Hopefully he heard it and will step up.

Well, at least this helps shine some light on the situation.

Sounds like Bugel is basically telling him the job is right there for the taking if he would just step up.

[joecrisp]

I didn't hear or see Bugel make those statements, but by several accounts from those who did, Bugel called out Brunell as well. From the sound of it, Buges was basically saying that he wants Ramsey to do something special in practice to show that he should be the starter. Unfortunately, Ramsey gets very few, if any, reps with the first team offense (which has been documented by the Post and the Times, and acknowledged by Gibbs), and the reps he does get are mostly with the scout team, playing against the starting defense. Last I read, Gibbs was saying that Ramsey does a fine job with the scout team offense:

The Washington Post, November 6th

Originally Posted by The Washington Post

Brunell takes virtually all of the snaps in practices and is the focal point of game plans each week, while Ramsey is largely a spectator trying to learn through observation and in meetings; there are no plans to allot more snaps to the backup. Ramsey has impressed the coaches by increasing his knowledge of the system despite his limited role, Gibbs said, and he has looked good running the opposition's plays with the scout team.

"Is it ideal for him? No," Gibbs said of Ramsey. "Would you like to get him some reps in practice, yeah. But if you do that, I've found, you're taking a 10 percent thing and trying to project and you're going to take away [snaps] in practice every week, and you really can't do that to the starter. He's been great as far as attitude and everything, he's been terrific, and those guys are always one play away. It's a tough thing to go through, but that's part of the quarterback position."

[MTK]

Maybe it has more to do with just what he's doing on the practice field. Maybe it's also about his work ethic off the field, in the film room, etc.

[joecrisp]

Again, Gibbs said he has been impressed with Ramsey's increasing knowledge of the system despite his limited role. To me, that says he's doing all the off-the-field, classroom stuff that he needs to do. Ramsey's a smart guy, and by all accounts, an excellent student with great classroom and study habits. Again, from what Buges apparently said, he was indicating that he wanted Ramsey to do something in practice-- he wanted to see a physical manifestation of Ramsey's improvement-- but no one can argue that Ramsey's opportunities to do so aren't limited at best.

[Gmanc711]

The thing I dont understand, is if you want Ramsey to show you somthing, then why are there these reports that hes getting little to ZERO snaps in practice. I mean I'm not there, so I dont know for sure. However, if hes not getting the snaps, how do you expect him to show you somthing against the #1 defense in the league, with the scout team??

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

The thing I dont understand, is if you want Ramsey to show you somthing, then why are there these reports that hes getting little to ZERO snaps in practice. I mean I'm not there, so I dont know for sure. However, if hes not getting the snaps, how do you expect him to show you somthing against the #1 defense in the league, with the scout team??

Really. And don't you think most players would get disillusioned if they're not even given a semblence of a chance, particularly when you keep seeing the QB in front of you stink up the place.