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juggernaunt · 11-22-2004, 06:02 PM

As a team and as a organization we have to take along long look in the mirror. The way we go about our buisness isn't working. If we are to look at this as a business I'm losing money, there is NO productivity on the field.

Every year its the same, we spend the most money, we trade away draft picks, we have a top 5 team on paper and what happens WE LOSE...... It's was funny watching espn on sunday when Marty was interviewed; he was asked what is the biggest difference between Washington and San Diego and his response was "we had more time".

I'll give Joe 1 more year or maybe 2 but we have to change the way we do buisness. We have to cut the fat NOW before we end up like the Niners.

Riggo44 · 11-22-2004, 06:55 PM

Gibbs for another 5 years is what the Redskins need. Marty is right it takes time to put in a system. If he had stayed we would have been better off then we where with the old ball coach SS. That's for sure.
I'll give Joe as long as it takes.

Redskins_P · 11-22-2004, 06:58 PM

Gibbs is here for the long haul. Hopefully that will give him enough time to turn this thing around. I think we have solid foundation, but we're still making too many mistakes. It's been the same mistakes for the past 3 years.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 07:00 PM

Yeah sometimes people get into this rut of giving the coach one or two years and that is it. Obviously if the coach's success is declining over the years that is one thing, but to build a team that is going to be successful for years to come, it takes longer than one season..heck it might take three, but I would rather wait for three more seasons of rebuilding and have about 8 seasons of elite success than to have one winning season and let it all fall apart the next year...*cough cough* Carolina Panthers.

Speaking of the Panthers is Stephen Davis even playing this year?

MTK · 11-22-2004, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaunt

As a team and as a organization we have to take along long look in the mirror. The way we go about our buisness isn't working. If we are to look at this as a business I'm losing money, there is NO productivity on the field.

Every year its the same, we spend the most money, we trade away draft picks, we have a top 5 team on paper and what happens WE LOSE...... It's was funny watching espn on sunday when Marty was interviewed; he was asked what is the biggest difference between Washington and San Diego and his response was "we had more time".

I'll give Joe 1 more year or maybe 2 but we have to change the way we do buisness. We have to cut the fat NOW before we end up like the Niners.

Time is the thing we need, like Marty has been given in SD, yet you're only willing to give Gibbs 1 or maybe 2 more years??

Then what? Back to the same old drawing board?

Daseal · 11-22-2004, 07:32 PM

Guys - it's not the losses that discourage people such as myself. It's the MANNER of the losses. The playcalling, the penelties, clock management. All the things that should be alleviated with a HOF head coach. He seems stubborn to change his ways, which is frightening.

VTSkins897 · 11-22-2004, 07:44 PM

he look more lost out there than even spurrier did, that frightens me even more

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 08:07 PM

Playcalling, clock management, penalities, and EXECUTION.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

Guys - it's not the losses that discourage people such as myself. It's the MANNER of the losses. The playcalling, the penelties, clock management. All the things that should be alleviated with a HOF head coach. He seems stubborn to change his ways, which is frightening.

I have to agree D. He will get it worked out, but the penalties, play execution, playcalling, clock management, challenges, and poor ref calls has made this season absolutely miserable. I don't think I've ever been this down (but resolved) as a 'Skins fan.

I expected Gibbs to go 9-7 this season and I thought I was being conservative. I thought we'd lose some close ones due to our schedule, but I didn't expect to be 3-7 at this point due to poor play and poor play-calling.

That Guy · 11-23-2004, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Marty was interviewed; he was asked what is the biggest difference between Washington and San Diego and his response was "we had more time".

I'll give Joe 1 more year or maybe 2 but we have to change the way we do buisness.

hmm, that's not hypocritical at all :P

and as a business the redskins are the best of the best... most profitable football team period, and if you compare profits to its on-field performance, they're the best sports team (as a business) in the world

bedlamVR · 11-23-2004, 01:58 AM

The play calling is only an issue because Gibbs cannot trust the team to be able to carry out even the simplist game plans. No matter how good the play calling is your players taking the ball at the ten and then moving it backwards 20 yards takes away a great deal of options to you . If your QB, the 9th best passer in NFL history, cannot complete even the simplest of dump off paterns you just do not put the ball in his hands trying to hold onto a lead.

Sure penalties are killing us but they have been over the last X number of years Gibbs has inheritied a undiciplined team two years under Spurrier hasnt helped but it is a big ship there is no way he can turn it around in one season .

If you are disapointed in Gibbs as a HC then you might want to have a look at your expectations of a team that imploded last year down the stretch had their HC WALK OUT on them and have had 1 play off appearnace in the last 10 years. Yes it hurts to loose but the solution is surly not to make the same mistakewe do every year and replace the coaching staff... again as some are advocating.. look at the Steelers they have been horrible, absolutly horrible under Cowher(sp?) he stuck with truly bad QBs made bad decisions but has been given time and now look good for a deap playoff run maybe even into the bowl, in fact all the best teams have been through bad times with thier coaching staff the difference is they stucked it in and stuck it out and are reaping what they have sown just as we are reaping the rewards of instability in the FO, coaching staff and constant roster turn over.

MTK · 11-23-2004, 08:41 AM

Gibbs warned everyone before the season this could be rough and he had no guarantees for instant success, and he reminded us of that in his press conference yesterday.

I guess a lot of us didn't want to hear that, I'll admit I'm guilty of that.

Daseal · 11-23-2004, 09:56 AM

Matty, I understand rough. But let our guys go DOWNFIELD. If you don't trust the players, they won't trust you.

sportscurmudgeon · 11-23-2004, 10:36 AM

Someone asked about Stephen Davis. He has a leg injury that might end his career.

Paintrain · 11-23-2004, 10:38 AM

Let's at least give Gibbs until the end of the season with Ramsey to say what he will and won't do as a coach. He said that they only had about 5 downfield plays planned for last week because of the style of defense the Eagles play. Expect more of the same this week against the Steelers, lots of slants and in-routes I would suspect since we ran the WR screen into the ground last week. The execution, penalties, challenges, etc. are things that need to improve, but have dogged us for years. Maybe it's the players? Hmm..

11-22-2004, 06:02 PM	#1
juggernaunt Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 47	I'm Lost As a team and as a organization we have to take along long look in the mirror. The way we go about our buisness isn't working. If we are to look at this as a business I'm losing money, there is NO productivity on the field. Every year its the same, we spend the most money, we trade away draft picks, we have a top 5 team on paper and what happens WE LOSE...... It's was funny watching espn on sunday when Marty was interviewed; he was asked what is the biggest difference between Washington and San Diego and his response was "we had more time". I'll give Joe 1 more year or maybe 2 but we have to change the way we do buisness. We have to cut the fat NOW before we end up like the Niners. Last edited by Sheriff Gonna Getcha; 11-22-2004 at 06:12 PM.

11-22-2004, 06:55 PM	#2
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	Gibbs for another 5 years is what the Redskins need. Marty is right it takes time to put in a system. If he had stayed we would have been better off then we where with the old ball coach SS. That's for sure. I'll give Joe as long as it takes. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

11-23-2004, 10:36 AM	#14
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Someone asked about Stephen Davis. He has a leg injury that might end his career. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

11-22-2004, 06:58 PM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Gibbs is here for the long haul. Hopefully that will give him enough time to turn this thing around. I think we have solid foundation, but we're still making too many mistakes. It's been the same mistakes for the past 3 years.

11-22-2004, 07:00 PM	#4
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Yeah sometimes people get into this rut of giving the coach one or two years and that is it. Obviously if the coach's success is declining over the years that is one thing, but to build a team that is going to be successful for years to come, it takes longer than one season..heck it might take three, but I would rather wait for three more seasons of rebuilding and have about 8 seasons of elite success than to have one winning season and let it all fall apart the next year...cough cough Carolina Panthers. Speaking of the Panthers is Stephen Davis even playing this year?

11-22-2004, 07:32 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Guys - it's not the losses that discourage people such as myself. It's the MANNER of the losses. The playcalling, the penelties, clock management. All the things that should be alleviated with a HOF head coach. He seems stubborn to change his ways, which is frightening.

11-22-2004, 07:44 PM	#7
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	he look more lost out there than even spurrier did, that frightens me even more

11-22-2004, 08:07 PM	#8
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Playcalling, clock management, penalities, and EXECUTION.

11-23-2004, 01:58 AM	#11
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	The play calling is only an issue because Gibbs cannot trust the team to be able to carry out even the simplist game plans. No matter how good the play calling is your players taking the ball at the ten and then moving it backwards 20 yards takes away a great deal of options to you . If your QB, the 9th best passer in NFL history, cannot complete even the simplest of dump off paterns you just do not put the ball in his hands trying to hold onto a lead. Sure penalties are killing us but they have been over the last X number of years Gibbs has inheritied a undiciplined team two years under Spurrier hasnt helped but it is a big ship there is no way he can turn it around in one season . If you are disapointed in Gibbs as a HC then you might want to have a look at your expectations of a team that imploded last year down the stretch had their HC WALK OUT on them and have had 1 play off appearnace in the last 10 years. Yes it hurts to loose but the solution is surly not to make the same mistakewe do every year and replace the coaching staff... again as some are advocating.. look at the Steelers they have been horrible, absolutly horrible under Cowher(sp?) he stuck with truly bad QBs made bad decisions but has been given time and now look good for a deap playoff run maybe even into the bowl, in fact all the best teams have been through bad times with thier coaching staff the difference is they stucked it in and stuck it out and are reaping what they have sown just as we are reaping the rewards of instability in the FO, coaching staff and constant roster turn over.

11-23-2004, 08:41 AM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Gibbs warned everyone before the season this could be rough and he had no guarantees for instant success, and he reminded us of that in his press conference yesterday. I guess a lot of us didn't want to hear that, I'll admit I'm guilty of that.

11-23-2004, 09:56 AM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Matty, I understand rough. But let our guys go DOWNFIELD. If you don't trust the players, they won't trust you.

11-23-2004, 10:38 AM	#15
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Let's at least give Gibbs until the end of the season with Ramsey to say what he will and won't do as a coach. He said that they only had about 5 downfield plays planned for last week because of the style of defense the Eagles play. Expect more of the same this week against the Steelers, lots of slants and in-routes I would suspect since we ran the WR screen into the ground last week. The execution, penalties, challenges, etc. are things that need to improve, but have dogged us for years. Maybe it's the players? Hmm..

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