Do we need upgrades at wide receiver?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 02:55 PM

Apparently, I got laughed at for saying that we have one of the best and deepest wide receiver corps in the league. Is it just me, or is the wide receiver position the least of our worries? If anyone said attacked our weakness at wideout before the season started, please lead me to that post because I don't believe anyone here expressed such sentiments.

Our talent at wide receiver is in the top 10 without question. James Thrash is our number 4 wideout whereas last year he was the number one wideout in Philly. Before the season started, the Ravens were going after McCants and we've played the guy in about 4 series this year and didn't dress him until halfway through the season. Taylor Jacobs, who many projected as a mid-first round pick, was praised by Champ Bailey as one of the most talented receivers/route-runners he's met.

People point to Gardner and complain that he misses easy catches. There's a reason he's our #2, he's not supposed to be our #1 so quit acting like the guy is supposed ot be Randy Moss.

Lavernaues Coles. Enough said. When many "experts" laughed at the 'Skins for overpaying Coles, I distinctly recall a great many of you enjoying Coles' success and raving about the guy. All of the sudden, Coles is Michael Westbrook. What gives? I personally love Coles (if Ramsey had been traded, I would've changed my screen name to ColesFan). Now he's being touted as "just another receiver." Talk about fickle fans.

Anyone who honestly believes that our wide receiving corps is sub-par or a big reason for our team's record needs to think twice. If our WR corps needs to be upgraded, we might as well scrap the team because I can't think of any other unit on our roster that is deeper and of better quality.

SmootSmack · 11-22-2004, 03:04 PM

I think our receivers are very good and will get better once McCants and especially Jacobs get more playing time

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 03:06 PM

I've changed my mind, let's go on another spending spree and trade our entire team for Moss, Boldin, and a few others. If we have space, maybe we could sign Marvin Harrison to the practice squad.

Redskins_P · 11-22-2004, 03:10 PM

I voted good, but unspectacular. We have some good talent and good depth. It's the inconsistency thats killing us. Especially from Gardner. He's living up to his nickname 50/50.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-22-2004, 03:21 PM

Matty, let me preface this post by saying that I truly am not trying to be obnoxious and I'm sorry if this post is. In the words of Ali G, "Respect."

But, I don't understand your criticism of our receivers. Before the season began, you praised guys like Coles, McCants, Jacobs, and even Gardner. Now it is laughable for me to say that we have one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league? What gives?

It is especially strange since, before the season you (like me) thought our offense was going to be a powerhouse.

In the below thread you said our passing attack would be "lethal."
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...hlight=offense

In the below thread you said we have enough weapons on our offense that we shouldn't have drafted Kellen Winslow.
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...ense#post10339

In the below thread you said that an offense of Brunell, Portis, Winslow, Coles, and Gardner would be "scary."
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...fense#post2622

In the below thread you said that, "Portis in Gibbs' offense would be downright scary. With an offense that would feature Coles, Brunell and Portis it would be downright explosive and perhaps the most talented trio Gibbs has ever had."
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...offense#post76

If our wide receivers aren't that good, why would you make the above comments?

irish · 11-22-2004, 03:42 PM

IMO "one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league" does not equate in my mind to top 10. Top 3 maybe but not top 10. if the skins are #10 that means one-third of the league has better WRs than the skins. That just does not sound like best and deepest to me.

I voted average and I think they are. They are not the best and not the worst. Except for Coles I'm not sure the skins have a WR any team in the league would trade another player or draft pick of value for.

The skins problems are system-wide. Everything & everyone needs to improve for this team to even have a chance of sniffing the playoffs.

skins009 · 11-22-2004, 03:49 PM

We need to LC to have surgery on his toe is he can return to his form from the beginnign of last year.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 03:53 PM

If we even remotely have the best wide receiving corps or even one of the best, then I have not seen it this year. I don't think we need to keep all of the receivers we have now for next year. I wouldn't mind seeing McCants and Thrash get more playing time.

MTK · 11-22-2004, 04:08 PM

Do I think we have a talented WR group? Yeah I do. Have they performed to expectations this year? Absolutely not.

LC has been pretty average since his toe injury last year. Gardner still drops way too many balls. Taylor and McCants are still unproven. Thrash was in way over his head playing as a #1 WR in Philly. I like his hustle and his special teams play, but as a WR he doesn't scare many people.

They have a lot to prove before I'll declare them one of the best units in the league. Right now they're far from it.

Talent is one thing, production is entirely different.

MTK · 11-22-2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Matty, let me preface this post by saying that I truly am not trying to be obnoxious and I'm sorry if this post is. In the words of Ali G, "Respect."

But, I don't understand your criticism of our receivers. Before the season began, you praised guys like Coles, McCants, Jacobs, and even Gardner. Now it is laughable for me to say that we have one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league? What gives?

It is especially strange since, before the season you (like me) thought our offense was going to be a powerhouse.

In the below thread you said our passing attack would be "lethal."
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...hlight=offense

In the below thread you said we have enough weapons on our offense that we shouldn't have drafted Kellen Winslow.
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...ense#post10339

In the below thread you said that an offense of Brunell, Portis, Winslow, Coles, and Gardner would be "scary."
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...fense#post2622

In the below thread you said that, "Portis in Gibbs' offense would be downright scary. With an offense that would feature Coles, Brunell and Portis it would be downright explosive and perhaps the most talented trio Gibbs has ever had."
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...offense#post76

If our wide receivers aren't that good, why would you make the above comments?

Notice I'm always referring to their potential, I never claimed this was a great WR group as it is right now, I was always referring to their potential and what I thought they could do.

I do think they are a talented group, they just haven't played to their potential yet.

Saying the Skins have one of the best WR groups in the league is a bit premature IMO.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 04:11 PM

When this group of wide receivers can be as consistant as what the posse was, then I'll say they are the best in the league.

Redskins_P · 11-22-2004, 04:14 PM

I wonder if we can find a stat showing how many dropped balls our WR's have. I think we would be up there with Seattle.

SmootSmack · 11-22-2004, 04:16 PM

Let's compare the stats of our top 2 receivers with some of the other top 2 receivers that many on this board say we're light years behind:

Redskins

Coles: 52 catches, 606 yds, 1 TD
Gardner: 32 catches, 436 yards, 5 TD

Patriots

Givens: 42 catches, 710 yds, 3 TD
Patten: 29 catches, 473 yds, 5 TD

Seahawks

Jackson: 51 catches, 742 yds, 4 TD
Robinson: 31 catches, 495 yds, 2 TD

Chiefs

Gonzalez: 49 catches, 647 yds, 5 TD
Morton: 43 catches, 581 yds, 2 TD

Steelers

Ward: 57 catches, 678 yds, 3 TD
Burress: 32 catches, 601 yds, 4 TD

MTK · 11-22-2004, 04:19 PM

Sorry if I offended you RF, that wasn't my intention.

I think we might be misinterpreting each other here. When I hear someone say we have one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league, I'm thinking best as in production, not potential as I'm guessing you meant. So that's why I took issue with what you said.

I do agree they have talent at WR. I also don't think they need to overhaul the WR's next year. But right now I have a hard time calling them the best at anything.

skinsguy · 11-22-2004, 04:20 PM

Skewed stats...how about the number of passes thrown in their direction and the number of passes dropped?

View Poll Results: Do we need better wide receivers?
Our wide receivers are great, it's everything else that stinks.	2	4.08%
Our wide receivers are good, but unspectacular.	24	48.98%
Our wide receivers are average.	16	32.65%
Our wide receivers are sub-par and we need some new talent.	7	14.29%
Our wide receivers stink, get rid of them.	0	0%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

11-22-2004, 04:16 PM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Let's compare the stats of our top 2 receivers with some of the other top 2 receivers that many on this board say we're light years behind: Redskins Coles: 52 catches, 606 yds, 1 TD Gardner: 32 catches, 436 yards, 5 TD Patriots Givens: 42 catches, 710 yds, 3 TD Patten: 29 catches, 473 yds, 5 TD Seahawks Jackson: 51 catches, 742 yds, 4 TD Robinson: 31 catches, 495 yds, 2 TD Chiefs Gonzalez: 49 catches, 647 yds, 5 TD Morton: 43 catches, 581 yds, 2 TD Steelers Ward: 57 catches, 678 yds, 3 TD Burress: 32 catches, 601 yds, 4 TD __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-22-2004, 02:55 PM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Do we need upgrades at wide receiver? Apparently, I got laughed at for saying that we have one of the best and deepest wide receiver corps in the league. Is it just me, or is the wide receiver position the least of our worries? If anyone said attacked our weakness at wideout before the season started, please lead me to that post because I don't believe anyone here expressed such sentiments. Our talent at wide receiver is in the top 10 without question. James Thrash is our number 4 wideout whereas last year he was the number one wideout in Philly. Before the season started, the Ravens were going after McCants and we've played the guy in about 4 series this year and didn't dress him until halfway through the season. Taylor Jacobs, who many projected as a mid-first round pick, was praised by Champ Bailey as one of the most talented receivers/route-runners he's met. People point to Gardner and complain that he misses easy catches. There's a reason he's our #2, he's not supposed to be our #1 so quit acting like the guy is supposed ot be Randy Moss. Lavernaues Coles. Enough said. When many "experts" laughed at the 'Skins for overpaying Coles, I distinctly recall a great many of you enjoying Coles' success and raving about the guy. All of the sudden, Coles is Michael Westbrook. What gives? I personally love Coles (if Ramsey had been traded, I would've changed my screen name to ColesFan). Now he's being touted as "just another receiver." Talk about fickle fans. Anyone who honestly believes that our wide receiving corps is sub-par or a big reason for our team's record needs to think twice. If our WR corps needs to be upgraded, we might as well scrap the team because I can't think of any other unit on our roster that is deeper and of better quality.

11-22-2004, 03:04 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I think our receivers are very good and will get better once McCants and especially Jacobs get more playing time __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-22-2004, 03:06 PM	#3
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	I've changed my mind, let's go on another spending spree and trade our entire team for Moss, Boldin, and a few others. If we have space, maybe we could sign Marvin Harrison to the practice squad.

11-22-2004, 03:10 PM	#4
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	I voted good, but unspectacular. We have some good talent and good depth. It's the inconsistency thats killing us. Especially from Gardner. He's living up to his nickname 50/50.

11-22-2004, 03:21 PM	#5
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Matty, let me preface this post by saying that I truly am not trying to be obnoxious and I'm sorry if this post is. In the words of Ali G, "Respect." But, I don't understand your criticism of our receivers. Before the season began, you praised guys like Coles, McCants, Jacobs, and even Gardner. Now it is laughable for me to say that we have one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league? What gives? It is especially strange since, before the season you (like me) thought our offense was going to be a powerhouse. In the below thread you said our passing attack would be "lethal." http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...hlight=offense In the below thread you said we have enough weapons on our offense that we shouldn't have drafted Kellen Winslow. http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...ense#post10339 In the below thread you said that an offense of Brunell, Portis, Winslow, Coles, and Gardner would be "scary." http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...fense#post2622 In the below thread you said that, "Portis in Gibbs' offense would be downright scary. With an offense that would feature Coles, Brunell and Portis it would be downright explosive and perhaps the most talented trio Gibbs has ever had." http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...offense#post76 If our wide receivers aren't that good, why would you make the above comments?

11-22-2004, 03:42 PM	#6
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	IMO "one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league" does not equate in my mind to top 10. Top 3 maybe but not top 10. if the skins are #10 that means one-third of the league has better WRs than the skins. That just does not sound like best and deepest to me. I voted average and I think they are. They are not the best and not the worst. Except for Coles I'm not sure the skins have a WR any team in the league would trade another player or draft pick of value for. The skins problems are system-wide. Everything & everyone needs to improve for this team to even have a chance of sniffing the playoffs.

11-22-2004, 03:49 PM	#7
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	We need to LC to have surgery on his toe is he can return to his form from the beginnign of last year.

11-22-2004, 03:53 PM	#8
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	If we even remotely have the best wide receiving corps or even one of the best, then I have not seen it this year. I don't think we need to keep all of the receivers we have now for next year. I wouldn't mind seeing McCants and Thrash get more playing time.

11-22-2004, 04:08 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Do I think we have a talented WR group? Yeah I do. Have they performed to expectations this year? Absolutely not. LC has been pretty average since his toe injury last year. Gardner still drops way too many balls. Taylor and McCants are still unproven. Thrash was in way over his head playing as a #1 WR in Philly. I like his hustle and his special teams play, but as a WR he doesn't scare many people. They have a lot to prove before I'll declare them one of the best units in the league. Right now they're far from it. Talent is one thing, production is entirely different.

11-22-2004, 04:11 PM	#11
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	When this group of wide receivers can be as consistant as what the posse was, then I'll say they are the best in the league.

11-22-2004, 04:14 PM	#12
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	I wonder if we can find a stat showing how many dropped balls our WR's have. I think we would be up there with Seattle.

11-22-2004, 04:19 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Sorry if I offended you RF, that wasn't my intention. I think we might be misinterpreting each other here. When I hear someone say we have one of the best and deepest WR corps in the league, I'm thinking best as in production, not potential as I'm guessing you meant. So that's why I took issue with what you said. I do agree they have talent at WR. I also don't think they need to overhaul the WR's next year. But right now I have a hard time calling them the best at anything.

11-22-2004, 04:20 PM	#15
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Skewed stats...how about the number of passes thrown in their direction and the number of passes dropped?

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