filmed so close

[FrenchSkin]

Back with another rookie question:
Why is it that football games are filmed so closed up?
I find it very frustrating not to be able to see anything of what's going on between the receivers and the secondary. Most of the time we only see the QB behind his O-line, and sometimes he throws, sometimes he doesn't, sometimes the receiver catches the ball, sometimes not... but you never know why! Because you didn't see anything!
I know they are trying to show impressive images but they could do that during the replays...

Long story short, does somebody know a good reason for that way of filming football?

[Giantone]

Why they film it like they do,becuase it's the way the fans want it.Grant it maybe not eveyone but they (mostlyNFL films) tries to bring you the fan right into all the action ,and with technology being what it is it's almost possible.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Take Your Eye Off the Ball - Playbook Edition | Pat Kirwan

I am not one to plug things on the forum, but this is Pat Kerwin's book. He is a radio show host on Sirius NFL Radio. His show is called moving the chains, and him and Tim Ryan do an excellent job of breaking down the game. I have not read it fully, but I can tell you this book would answer most of your questions as to why this happened and this didn't. It will also allow you to watch the game from an educated view. Check it out it is really good stuff.

If you are able to get Sirius over there I would and listen to thier show, I believe it would start at approx 9pm your time (it starts at 3 pm EST here in the States).

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Take Your Eye Off the Ball - Playbook Edition | Pat Kirwan

I am not one to plug things on the forum, but this is Pat Kerwin's book. He is a radio show host on Sirius NFL Radio. His show is called moving the chains, and him and Tim Ryan do an excellent job of breaking down the game. I have not read it fully, but I can tell you this book would answer most of your questions as to why this happened and this didn't. It will also allow you to watch the game from an educated view. Check it out it is really good stuff.

If you are able to get Sirius over there I would and listen to thier show, I believe it would start at approx 9pm your time (it starts at 3 pm EST here in the States).

Thanks, I think I'd be able to find it streaming on the internet.

It would be great if the NFL game pass would allow to choose your camera angle! The NFL gamepass is a great product but being able to choose your angle would be a real betterment!

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Thanks, I think I'd be able to find it streaming on the internet.

It would be great if the NFL game pass would allow to choose your camera angle! The NFL gamepass is a great product but being able to choose your angle would be a real betterment!

You can definitely listen to their show on the Internet. You may have to get a subscription to listen to it. It does not cost much, they have an app for your smart phone, and you can listen to every NFL game live along with all of the other Sirius radio content.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

You can definitely listen to their show on the Internet. You may have to get a subscription to listen to it. It does not cost much, they have an app for your smart phone, and you can listen to every NFL game live along with all of the other Sirius radio content.

I'm already paying (much) for the NFL gamepass so I can watch every game both on my computer or my smartphone, so I'll try to find a way around, but shhhhh.

[That Guy]

ye olde timey games were farther away, i imagine most people want to see it closer up, so that's how they shoot it.

when they stream games (like nbc has i think?) the internet gives you 4 or 5 views to pull from, including a wide shot.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by That Guy

ye olde timey games were farther away, i imagine most people want to see it closer up, so that's how they shoot it.

when they stream games (like nbc has i think?) the internet gives you 4 or 5 views to pull from, including a wide shot.

I think your right. In the old days the camera was up high and you could see everything but the NFL wants to get you the fan up close and personal. Most of it is them trying to follow the ball up close but passes are usually faster then the cameraman can follow. So you might see the zoom in on the ball, then the zoom out for the play, then the zoom back in for the catch. I always like the camera behind the play so you could see the drop back and pass and catch. Then they could show us the other angles in replays.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by That Guy

ye olde timey games were farther away, i imagine most people want to see it closer up, so that's how they shoot it.

when they stream games (like nbc has i think?) the internet gives you 4 or 5 views to pull from, including a wide shot.

What is this you speak of?!? It sounds amazing

[Alvin Walton]

granted

[mredskins]

the worst is NHL Rangers games. The position of the camera MSG is awful!

[Lotus]

Good question Frenchskin. It is frustrating to not see what is off-camera. However, I suppose that if the camera took in more of the field, it would be more difficult to see line play, especially on a small screen.

[MTK]

I think with any sport on TV they try to make you feel like you're part of the action.

I hate some college basketball arenas that have the super high camera angle.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think with any sport on TV they try to make you feel like you're part of the action.

I hate some college basketball arenas that have the super high camera angle.

Super high angels do suck but nothing pisses me off more than when you have a fast break in bball with an inevitable dunk and the network switches to an underneath the hoop type shot at the last second for the dunk. Or when a station thinks a top of the backboard camera angel should be used for anything but replays.

March Madness attracts a lot of people who woulnt care at all if not for the office pool, parties, or bragging rights kind of stuff. Kind of like how tons of people watch their first nfl game of the seaon when they go to a superbowl party. In an attempt to make a game seem more exciting to “whos winning the match” type fans networks have started to use flashy and regularly changing camera angles. It all has to do with ratings.

I also believe this is also the primary reason why we are seeing all these rule changes that protect and benefit the offense in the nfl. Casual fans don’t want to see a first half marked by outstanding defensive play. Not everyone is keenly aware of great coverage that sets up a 2nd or 3rd and long or even a big stop on 3rd down, but everyone knows what a TD means (even if your girlfriend still has a hard time saying 6 points instead of 7).

Its all about trying to get more and more casual fans to watch and maybe even turn them into real fans. Unfortunately this means crappy tv angels that are filmed too close and waiting to make sure a flag wasn’t thrown before celebrating a big defensive play. At the end of the day devoted fans may not like this stuff but most of us will live with it. But if a casual fan isn’t kept happy, he’ll just change the channel.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Super high angels do suck but nothing pisses me off more than when you have a fast break in bball with an inevitable dunk and the network switches to an underneath the hoop type shot at the last second for the dunk. Or when a station thinks a top of the backboard camera angel should be used for anything but replays.

March Madness attracts a lot of people who woulnt care at all if not for the office pool, parties, or bragging rights kind of stuff. Kind of like how tons of people watch their first nfl game of the seaon when they go to a superbowl party. In an attempt to make a game seem more exciting to “whos winning the match” type fans networks have started to use flashy and regularly changing camera angles. It all has to do with ratings.

I also believe this is also the primary reason why we are seeing all these rule changes that protect and benefit the offense in the nfl. Casual fans don’t want to see a first half marked by outstanding defensive play. Not everyone is keenly aware of great coverage that sets up a 2nd or 3rd and long or even a big stop on 3rd down, but everyone knows what a TD means (even if your girlfriend still has a hard time saying 6 points instead of 7).

Its all about trying to get more and more casual fans to watch and maybe even turn them into real fans. Unfortunately this means crappy tv angels that are filmed too close and waiting to make sure a flag wasn’t thrown before celebrating a big defensive play. At the end of the day devoted fans may not like this stuff but most of us will live with it. But if a casual fan isn’t kept happy, he’ll just change the channel.

I have the same feeling, this way of filming sport (football and rugby are filmed the same way) is meant to be exciting, not to give fans a chance to understand what's going on...
But maybe it's counter-productive because, yes a devoted fan will live with a bad camera angle while a casual fan will change the channel, but a devoted fan will buy games tickets, jerseys, hats, maybe dvds, maybe pay for the NFL gamepass if he's not living in the USA, many thing that a casual fan won't buy... until he's fed up with not being considered and he decides the product doesn't fit his expectations anymore.

I did it with pro-wrestling, I was a huge fan of WWE 10 years ago, ready to pay up to 300 dollars to see a house show when then came to France, I quit 4 years ago, it has become a product for families, not for wrestling fans, that's when I started watching Ring Of Honor and stopped watching anything of the WWE...
but the NFL doesn't have any serious contestant so my demonstration ends here, but I think I got my point ˆˆ