Do we miss Smoot?

hooskins · 12-21-2005, 05:28 AM

I was just thinking the other day, I really miss Smoot not being on the Skins. Yea we all know the boat thing, and that makes him not the best role-model and all that. But he was a fun player to watch, that was pretty good. He probably had the best connection to the fans. I remember the game I went to last year, when the Eagles visited. Even though we lost, it was a lot of fun watching Smoot and how he got the crowd into the game. I would not mind if we had him. Hey maybe if he stayed he would not have played for the Viks, which means no boat incident haha.

Daseal · 12-21-2005, 06:12 AM

I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on!

mooby · 12-21-2005, 07:34 AM

yeah looking back we should've kept smoot. As for the boat thing, i heard the only reason he was involved was because they do that every year, and that a first year player with the vikes has to pay for it. If he hadn't gone to the vikes he wouldn't have been involved.

BrudLee · 12-21-2005, 07:36 AM

Crap on a cracker, boys!

We're in the playoff race with this team, and you're pining for a guy who nearly got half his team arrested for lewd behavior!

TAFKAS (The Artist Formerly Known As Smootsmack) isn't that myopic!

That being said, if he hits the free agent market this year because of his behavioral issues, I'd "Trotter" him back in a heartbeat.

56FAN · 12-21-2005, 07:43 AM

the contract offer we made was nearly idnetical if not the same. but it was structerd differently. that's why buges said so much for being a life long skin.he made the choice, he thought he'd get 13mil signing bonus and we offerd 11mil. he signed with minn for an 11 mil signing bonus.he should have made the choice to stay.i would love to have him back but i feel we made a good effort to sign peirce and smoot and they choose to walk away for contracts that were basically the same but structerd differently to help with the cap and they walked.sala ve.hope he enjoys watching us in the playoffs.

#56fanatic · 12-21-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 56FAN

the contract offer we made was nearly idnetical if not the same. but it was structerd differently. that's why buges said so much for being a life long skin.he made the choice, he thought he'd get 13mil signing bonus and we offerd 11mil. he signed with minn for an 11 mil signing bonus.he should have made the choice to stay.i would love to have him back but i feel we made a good effort to sign peirce and smoot and they choose to walk away for contracts that were basically the same but structerd differently to help with the cap and they walked.sala ve.hope he enjoys watching us in the playoffs.

The contract came down to one thing, money. Smoots contract with the Vikings guaranteed 6 million a year for the first 3 years. He would not have made that much with the skins until the last two years. The signign bonus was fine with him, which was about a two million differnce. He basically, which is the way the NFL is, took the money and ran to an awful team in a pretty crappy town. No disrespect to those people, if any, from Minnesota.

FRPLG · 12-21-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on!

The problems? What the injuries? It's hard to conjecture that Smoot would have stayed any healthier than Springs. I loved Smoot and he was in line as my next jersey but he took the money and ran. He ended up in a basically dead-end football town and got himself in trouble. It has ended up being a solid decision. Now the Pierce situation I view a little different but in that case he was just a little bitch and ran to the Ginats for real flimsy reasons.

dmek25 · 12-21-2005, 08:33 AM

wake up everyone!they both left for the same reason,guarenteed money,i.e signing bonus with up front money.everyone on this board would do the same in the regular workforce.denying that would be anything short of a lie

Daseal · 12-21-2005, 08:47 AM

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The problems? What the injuries? It's hard to conjecture that Smoot would have stayed any healthier than Springs.

Not saying he would, but I'd rather have Smoot added into the core we have now, we probably would have drafted differently, but still, Smoot is known to play through it if at all possible. When I hear Ade Jimoh may have to start, that's a real problem with injuries.

Also, you have to realize, the typical NFL career doesnt last long, and the way the skins give out contracts they look much bigger than they actually are since the last 2-3 years on every contract gets either restructured or cut. Smoot made a significant amount more by going to Minnesota and if we wanted him we could have paid. Let's not act like Smoot was in DC racking up Super Bowls, meanwhile at least MN was headed to the playoffs last year and have at least been in the race for many years.

onlydarksets · 12-21-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

TAFKAS (The Artist Formerly Known As Smootsmack) isn't that myopic!

Myopic? I had to look that one up!

Schneed10 · 12-21-2005, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on!

It definitely wasn't just a couple more dollars. He got a lot more guaranteed to him over the course of the first three years than we were offering. Our salary cap situation is not bad, but not great right now. If we brought Smoot back at the Minnesota price, we'd end up in some trouble in the next three years.

We're better off with what we have on our roster now. Rogers is much much cheaper than Smoot is. It'd be nice to have Smoot around as a luxury, but I'd rather see the franchise develop some long-term viability.

12thMan · 12-21-2005, 08:55 AM

...besides, it seems like he's starting to become injury prone.

Daseal · 12-21-2005, 08:56 AM

Isn't smoot that long-term viability? Will you defend shipping rogers off when his rookie contract expires? Everyone complains that we don't keep talent we develop but seems to be perfectly happy to ship off a player that played his ass off for us and, in my opinion, was more clutch than any CB on our roster last year.

MTK · 12-21-2005, 09:14 AM

Fred who??

skinsguy · 12-21-2005, 09:29 AM

Didn't Fred Smoot suffer a rather serious injury this year? What I mean by that, is one that keeps him out more than 3 weeks? Keep in mind, it took Smoot a few years to really become a solid CB. Give Rogers a chance...I believe he can be just as effective if not more.

Fans complained because we spent too much money, but then they complain when we don't spend enough to keep players. Can't have it both ways.

12-21-2005, 05:28 AM	#1
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 38 Posts: 8,606	Do we miss Smoot? I was just thinking the other day, I really miss Smoot not being on the Skins. Yea we all know the boat thing, and that makes him not the best role-model and all that. But he was a fun player to watch, that was pretty good. He probably had the best connection to the fans. I remember the game I went to last year, when the Eagles visited. Even though we lost, it was a lot of fun watching Smoot and how he got the crowd into the game. I would not mind if we had him. Hey maybe if he stayed he would not have played for the Viks, which means no boat incident haha.

12-21-2005, 06:12 AM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Smoot I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on! __________________ Best. Player. Available. Last edited by Daseal; 12-21-2005 at 06:12 AM. Reason: I cant spell come on....

12-21-2005, 07:34 AM	#3
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Smoot yeah looking back we should've kept smoot. As for the boat thing, i heard the only reason he was involved was because they do that every year, and that a first year player with the vikes has to pay for it. If he hadn't gone to the vikes he wouldn't have been involved.

12-21-2005, 07:36 AM	#4
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Smoot Crap on a cracker, boys! We're in the playoff race with this team, and you're pining for a guy who nearly got half his team arrested for lewd behavior! TAFKAS (The Artist Formerly Known As Smootsmack) isn't that myopic! That being said, if he hits the free agent market this year because of his behavioral issues, I'd "Trotter" him back in a heartbeat. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

12-21-2005, 08:33 AM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Smoot wake up everyone!they both left for the same reason,guarenteed money,i.e signing bonus with up front money.everyone on this board would do the same in the regular workforce.denying that would be anything short of a lie

12-21-2005, 07:43 AM	#5
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 63 Posts: 323	Re: Smoot the contract offer we made was nearly idnetical if not the same. but it was structerd differently. that's why buges said so much for being a life long skin.he made the choice, he thought he'd get 13mil signing bonus and we offerd 11mil. he signed with minn for an 11 mil signing bonus.he should have made the choice to stay.i would love to have him back but i feel we made a good effort to sign peirce and smoot and they choose to walk away for contracts that were basically the same but structerd differently to help with the cap and they walked.sala ve.hope he enjoys watching us in the playoffs.

12-21-2005, 08:55 AM	#12
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Smoot ...besides, it seems like he's starting to become injury prone.

12-21-2005, 08:56 AM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Smoot Isn't smoot that long-term viability? Will you defend shipping rogers off when his rookie contract expires? Everyone complains that we don't keep talent we develop but seems to be perfectly happy to ship off a player that played his ass off for us and, in my opinion, was more clutch than any CB on our roster last year. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

12-21-2005, 09:14 AM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Smoot Fred who?? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-21-2005, 09:29 AM	#15
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Do we miss Smoot? Didn't Fred Smoot suffer a rather serious injury this year? What I mean by that, is one that keeps him out more than 3 weeks? Keep in mind, it took Smoot a few years to really become a solid CB. Give Rogers a chance...I believe he can be just as effective if not more. Fans complained because we spent too much money, but then they complain when we don't spend enough to keep players. Can't have it both ways. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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