For those that want Ramsey traded or Hasselbeck to start:

[That Guy]

I posted this in another thread, but since it might get missed there:

brunell - 1 TD, 2 TOs, 92 yards.... TOs lead to 10 points
portis - 1 TD, 2 TOs, 98 yards... TOs lead to 7 points
ramsey - 1 TD, 3 TOs, 142 yards... TOs lead to 0 points

which one is really worse? brunell couldnt move the ball downfield, making his TOs WORSE, though towards the end, NY wasn't really scrambling to get down field...

in fact all three of ramsey's ints were at the NYG 10 yard line or further back (10, 9, and 0)... driving 90 yards is harder than 30-40, ramsey's arm still helps.

the QB play was AWFUL, but if you want to cut ramsey, there's two other people you may want to consider axing as well.

As for gardner, i think he all agree he cost us a lot of important 1st downs.

and I know ramsey telegraphs plays and seems to refuse to throw it away, but those TOs aren't any worse than brunell's play today.