Shawn Springs

lifetimeskin · 10-09-2006, 10:38 PM

I read a response to a thread, stating that "Gregg Williams had put all his eggs in one basket" referring to Sean Springs. This got me thinking....can ONE player turn the defense from a top 10 from a bottom 12 (NFL stats for total D)? Would Baltimore's defense be a bottom 12 without Ray Lewis? Would Chicago's be a bottom 12 without Urlacher?

After much tought, IMOF that QB is the only position that can drastically turn a team around. For example, I can't imagine the Colts, Pats, or the Eagles, Ravens, would be anywhere near that top of their game without their starting QB's.

Hence, I don't think ONE defensive player can change a defense that dramtically (other than a player in the mold of a LT or the Minister of D). I've got a couple of thoughts on our defense.....1) I truly think the skins defensive problems are much larger. I don't see skins other than Taylor are going all out.....is it just me or does it look like there is some fire missing. I know Taylor got burned on that one toss to Burress {sp} but he is causing fumbles, going hard....2) I feel the change in cornerback coaches has made a REAL difference... Our DB play has been real poor. Last year even Jimoh and the jouneyman safety that got hurt in the first play of this year looked like world beaters. That is coaching.

Would love to hear your thoughts....

my 2 cents.

SmootSmack · 10-09-2006, 10:40 PM

Who knows if we could use Sean Springs. Shawn Springs on the other hand...

chris36 · 10-09-2006, 10:43 PM

Boy, I hope you are wrong. We need Sean to turn our defense around, cause it sucks.

MTK · 10-09-2006, 10:44 PM

Shawn Springs is definitely missed, but one guy that we've all overlooked a bit is Prioleau. The loss of both of these guys really hurt. Losing these guys has had a ripple effect on the rest of the secondary.

C'mon guys, it's Shawn, not Sean. And for the millionth time it's Darrell Green, not Daryl.

SmootSmack · 10-09-2006, 10:45 PM

Is it too much to ask that we spell his name right? It's Shawn, not Sean. I mean we're not talking about Ifeanyi Ohalete here.

MTK · 10-09-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Is it too much to ask that we spell his name right? It's Shawn, not Sean. I mean we're not talking about Ifeanyi Ohalete here.

Even then, just toss the name in google and if you're close enough it will give you the correct spelling. It's not that hard.

lifetimeskin · 10-09-2006, 10:51 PM

TAFKAS,

Got the message the first time.

I got it right on the title, but had a pint of Guinness while writing the body of the message and well, went with the Irish spelling.

It was not my intent to rise your ire, but to rise thought on the subject.

saden1 · 10-09-2006, 10:54 PM

If you can trust your CB to play man-to-man, yes one guy does make a difference. There are 3 key positions that are very important to every defense, the MLB, one CB and the FS. If you look at every good defense out there you'll notice they have studs in all three positions. With our current lineup only ST stands out and he has his share of issues.

SouperMeister · 10-09-2006, 10:58 PM

The problems on D are greater than just missing Taylor. The D backfield play has been shaky, and we get ZERO pass rush from the front 4 without blitzing. I hate to say this, but Andre Carter is looking like a major bust. One sack and virtually no QB pressures through 5 games is a joke for what he's being paid.

SouperMeister · 10-09-2006, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The problems on D are greater than just missing Taylor. The D backfield play has been shaky, and we get ZERO pass rush from the front 4 without blitzing. I hate to say this, but Andre Carter is looking like a major bust. One sack and virtually no QB pressures through 5 games is a joke for what he's being paid.

Correction, I obviously meant greather than just missing Springs ;-)

SmootSmack · 10-09-2006, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

TAFKAS,

Got the message the first time.

I got it right on the title, but had a pint of Guinness while writing the body of the message and well, went with the Irish spelling.

It was not my intent to rise your ire, but to rise thought on the subject.

I figured you got it but then someone else didn't. And it's not the first time it's been spelled wrong.

Wasn't directed at you specifically, it was a universal attack

MTK · 10-09-2006, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

TAFKAS,

Got the message the first time.

I got it right on the title, but had a pint of Guinness while writing the body of the message and well, went with the Irish spelling.

It was not my intent to rise your ire, but to rise thought on the subject.

Actually I edited the title, you had it wrong there too

RobH4413 · 10-09-2006, 11:45 PM

GW will be more comfortable leaving our corners in man coverage, which in turn opens up the blitz, which then causes a rushed throw, leading to a more confident secondary.... basically it could be exponential the impact a #1 corner has in this defense in particular.

Run on sentences aside, if Springs is healthy, he will improve the defense greatly. I can remember hearing the announcers make a good point on sunday saying how the D-Line has so much pressure to catalyze a pash rush because of our weak secondary. Without the help of blitzing safeties (which I'm assuming AA was brought in for, to blitz) we have no strength. On top of that we couldn't even stop the run which sealed the deal. We need SS bad. I'll be in the "thanking the universe" thread in the mean time.

Misterbillysells · 10-09-2006, 11:54 PM

I would point to lito sheppards impact with the eagles as perfect example of the effect a pro-bowl caliber corner can have on making the entire defense better. They got torched in the air by the giants, made alex smith and david carr look decent, and then completely shutdown the cowboys. Could shawn springs have a similar affect our team? certainly couldnt hurt

mike340 · 10-10-2006, 12:01 AM

We also need Darrell Green back...not as a player, but as a coach. Both guys at starting corner at the end of his tenure have done pretty well (Bailey and Smoot.) I've always wondered if Green impacted their development. In addition, the pub would be good for his charity.

As far as Springs coming back, I think it's bigger than CP for the offense. The coaches got the players to fill certain positions. With Springs out, everybody except the line is playing off-balance (trying to help others who are weak), and few are plying their strengths. AA shouldn't be in pass support. We get an extra rusher for "free". Taylor can play his "real" position. DBs won't have to play 15 yards off the line of scrimmage, so they can come up on running plays. We can blitz. The only positive I see now is that Springs probably doesn't impact any game until Dallas in a month, so there's time. We should beat the Titans and lose to the Colts, so we'll be 3-4 before the bye week. After that, most of the tough teams we will play at home, and the offense should have worked out all the kinks by then. Note that we've already played 2 of the 3 away games in the division, and none of the home games. I could easily see we go 7-2 after the bye week, assuming Springs is back (giving the defense some teeth) and the offense has some sort of rhythm. So if he comes back in a month, we should have a good chance to make the playoffs.

10-09-2006, 10:40 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Sean Springs Who knows if we could use Sean Springs. Shawn Springs on the other hand... __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-09-2006, 10:43 PM	#3
chris36 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 183	Re: Sean Springs Boy, I hope you are wrong. We need Sean to turn our defense around, cause it sucks.

10-09-2006, 10:44 PM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Sean Springs Shawn Springs is definitely missed, but one guy that we've all overlooked a bit is Prioleau. The loss of both of these guys really hurt. Losing these guys has had a ripple effect on the rest of the secondary. C'mon guys, it's Shawn, not Sean. And for the millionth time it's Darrell Green, not Daryl. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-09-2006, 10:45 PM	#5
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Shawn Springs Is it too much to ask that we spell his name right? It's Shawn, not Sean. I mean we're not talking about Ifeanyi Ohalete here. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-09-2006, 10:51 PM	#7
lifetimeskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 60 Posts: 84	Re: Shawn Springs TAFKAS, Got the message the first time. I got it right on the title, but had a pint of Guinness while writing the body of the message and well, went with the Irish spelling. It was not my intent to rise your ire, but to rise thought on the subject. __________________ ---lifetime skin

10-09-2006, 10:38 PM	#1
lifetimeskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 60 Posts: 84	Shawn Springs I read a response to a thread, stating that "Gregg Williams had put all his eggs in one basket" referring to Sean Springs. This got me thinking....can ONE player turn the defense from a top 10 from a bottom 12 (NFL stats for total D)? Would Baltimore's defense be a bottom 12 without Ray Lewis? Would Chicago's be a bottom 12 without Urlacher? After much tought, IMOF that QB is the only position that can drastically turn a team around. For example, I can't imagine the Colts, Pats, or the Eagles, Ravens, would be anywhere near that top of their game without their starting QB's. Hence, I don't think ONE defensive player can change a defense that dramtically (other than a player in the mold of a LT or the Minister of D). I've got a couple of thoughts on our defense.....1) I truly think the skins defensive problems are much larger. I don't see skins other than Taylor are going all out.....is it just me or does it look like there is some fire missing. I know Taylor got burned on that one toss to Burress {sp} but he is causing fumbles, going hard....2) I feel the change in cornerback coaches has made a REAL difference... Our DB play has been real poor. Last year even Jimoh and the jouneyman safety that got hurt in the first play of this year looked like world beaters. That is coaching. Would love to hear your thoughts.... my 2 cents. __________________ ---lifetime skin

10-09-2006, 10:54 PM	#8
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Shawn Springs If you can trust your CB to play man-to-man, yes one guy does make a difference. There are 3 key positions that are very important to every defense, the MLB, one CB and the FS. If you look at every good defense out there you'll notice they have studs in all three positions. With our current lineup only ST stands out and he has his share of issues. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

10-09-2006, 10:58 PM	#9
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Shawn Springs The problems on D are greater than just missing Taylor. The D backfield play has been shaky, and we get ZERO pass rush from the front 4 without blitzing. I hate to say this, but Andre Carter is looking like a major bust. One sack and virtually no QB pressures through 5 games is a joke for what he's being paid.

10-09-2006, 11:45 PM	#13
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 40 Posts: 2,638	Re: Shawn Springs GW will be more comfortable leaving our corners in man coverage, which in turn opens up the blitz, which then causes a rushed throw, leading to a more confident secondary.... basically it could be exponential the impact a #1 corner has in this defense in particular. Run on sentences aside, if Springs is healthy, he will improve the defense greatly. I can remember hearing the announcers make a good point on sunday saying how the D-Line has so much pressure to catalyze a pash rush because of our weak secondary. Without the help of blitzing safeties (which I'm assuming AA was brought in for, to blitz) we have no strength. On top of that we couldn't even stop the run which sealed the deal. We need SS bad. I'll be in the "thanking the universe" thread in the mean time. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

10-09-2006, 11:54 PM	#14
Misterbillysells Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 80	Re: Shawn Springs I would point to lito sheppards impact with the eagles as perfect example of the effect a pro-bowl caliber corner can have on making the entire defense better. They got torched in the air by the giants, made alex smith and david carr look decent, and then completely shutdown the cowboys. Could shawn springs have a similar affect our team? certainly couldnt hurt

10-10-2006, 12:01 AM	#15
mike340 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 68 Posts: 322	Re: Shawn Springs We also need Darrell Green back...not as a player, but as a coach. Both guys at starting corner at the end of his tenure have done pretty well (Bailey and Smoot.) I've always wondered if Green impacted their development. In addition, the pub would be good for his charity. As far as Springs coming back, I think it's bigger than CP for the offense. The coaches got the players to fill certain positions. With Springs out, everybody except the line is playing off-balance (trying to help others who are weak), and few are plying their strengths. AA shouldn't be in pass support. We get an extra rusher for "free". Taylor can play his "real" position. DBs won't have to play 15 yards off the line of scrimmage, so they can come up on running plays. We can blitz. The only positive I see now is that Springs probably doesn't impact any game until Dallas in a month, so there's time. We should beat the Titans and lose to the Colts, so we'll be 3-4 before the bye week. After that, most of the tough teams we will play at home, and the offense should have worked out all the kinks by then. Note that we've already played 2 of the 3 away games in the division, and none of the home games. I could easily see we go 7-2 after the bye week, assuming Springs is back (giving the defense some teeth) and the offense has some sort of rhythm. So if he comes back in a month, we should have a good chance to make the playoffs.

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