How are the Redskins going to manage the cap in the next few years?

Drift Reality · 10-26-2004, 12:33 PM

Does anyone find it disturbing that in 2006, the salaries for the top 10 guys on the team (in salary) are going to escalate in the neighborhood of 2-3 million dollars each? Samuels and Arrington together will account for somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 million dollars.

How are they going to manage the cap - or are they anticipating making a ton of cuts, taking a huge hit, and rebuilding?

I think their only hope is renegotiating with Arrington and Samuels, cutting Wynn, Barrow, McCants, Daniels, Morton and Brunell (unless they are willing to take large pay cuts), and hoping that we can draft some great players after the 1st round in the next 2 years (to fill the holes at cheap rates).

That way, the only guys making salaries that will eat away at the cap would be Portis, Jansen, Coles, Springs, Taylor, Thomas, Griffin, Arrington (renegotiated), and Samuels (renegotiated). That is not bad, because those guys are all borderline pro bowl talents and deserve the contracts.

The wildcard in all of this is Ramsey. If he starts next year, and blows up, we are going to have a huge problem fitting those other guys, and Ramsey, under the cap.

Honestly, it sounds nuts, but it might not be such a bad thing if he turns into a QB with a rating of like 80 or so, who manages the game well (a la Dilfer) from a salary cap perspective. Is that ludicrous?

What do you guys think?

Drift Reality · 10-26-2004, 12:40 PM

I'd like to add, I think we should cut Barrow next year if he is not completely healthy, and replace his salary by re-signing Antonio Pierce to a long-term deal; and possibly think about cutting Wynn next year as well, just so we can pace the cap hit a little better.

Redskins_P · 10-26-2004, 01:07 PM

We already renegotiated with Arrington....

FRPLG · 10-26-2004, 01:11 PM

Redksins are cap masters and always will be. Thye'll renegotiate where they need to and cut where they need to. This is the best thing about having I think. He is so adept and at getting lower profile guys to play huge football(ie:Pierce) that we can take a small hit here and there and see little in the way of on field product. At least I hope!

MTK · 10-26-2004, 01:35 PM

We were asking the same questions back in 2000, I've yet to see this "cap hell" the critics warned us about.

That's what re-negotiations are for, plus the TV contracts will bump up the cap.

skins009 · 10-26-2004, 01:49 PM

Were gonna HAVE to redo samuels deal, and then cut brunnel Wynn and a couple of other guys, like Morton. But we might also have to let Smoot go.

aehs77 · 10-26-2004, 02:15 PM

Ive got faith in Dan

Paintrain · 10-26-2004, 02:25 PM

One thing that all of the cap critics keep forgetting is that the league's TV deal is up in another year and will be renegotiated for a far greater amount than it is now which will increase the cap. The cap is calculated based on league revenues if I am not mistaken. Cerrato made the comment during the offseason that they have planned for a 'significant cap increase' over the next few years.

JoeRedskin · 10-26-2004, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We were asking the same questions back in 2000, I've yet to see this "cap hell" the critics warned us about.

That's what re-negotiations are for, plus the TV contracts will bump up the cap.

While I generally agree with this sentiment Matty, it does fail to consider one significant factor.

Over the past several years, the Skins have been losers. Because of this, there has been no desire/need to retain players and the big hits could be spread out and replaced. IF (as is hoped) the Skins start being successful because of the players signed, THEN we may actually have to face some real tough decisions. Because of the success, we will want to retain Cornelius Griffin, Arrington, Springs, etc. but may not be able to afford or renegotiate with all of them. I hope we can but I am not sure if we will.

If Gibbs succeeds, Dan will be faced with an entirely new problem of retaining and supplementing the existing talent rather than ripping up the roster and starting over. He has done the second quite successfully. The question remains as to whether he can do the first.

RedskinRat · 10-26-2004, 02:40 PM

We need Crazy Canuck in on this.

irish · 10-26-2004, 02:59 PM

I agree JoeRedskin. That is why I mentioned in another thread about seeing what Arrington could bring in a trade. I'm not saying he should be traded but he is a huge contract and like you said signing all of these high priced players has not caused the skins to win. Maybe the skins could trade some of these players for cheaper players and draft picks and build the team the way New England has. It is an idea I think the team should look into.

SkinsRock · 10-26-2004, 03:34 PM

It seems like every month or two (and more often in the off-season) someone put up one of these salary cap threads. The truth is, no one really knows. Like Matty, I'll believe the "cap hell" theory when I see it (I don't think we will). It is an ongoing process, and I believe the idea is that if we start winning, players will WANT to stay, even if it means a little less money, or distributing it differently. Of course all players won't want to do that, but I think when Gibbs refers to players that are "real Redskins", that is what he means.
It works for the Patriots....players stay there (and other players want to go there) because they win. Even the Eagles are that way...they just let the players leave for a year or two, then come back.

I think we will see minimal turnover the next couple years, especially compared to what we've seen the past few years. Yeah, we'll probably lose some players we'd rather keep and have to replace them, but that's how it is with EVERY team.

MarkBrunell · 10-26-2004, 03:40 PM

Danny "Dead Money" Snyder will manage things all right. He managed to give me a $8.6 million signing bonus. That's pretty good for a dead arm coming off a year of vacation. I'll be backing up next year's #1 draft pick because he can't afford to get rid of me. Whew.

That Guy · 10-26-2004, 05:19 PM

cap hell won't happen until the nfl's profits start declining (not the near future) or at least level off...

samuels is hella expensive next year, and brunell is super expensive too... wynn is paid a good deal more than he's worth, as is mccants for being inactive... arrington isn't really that bad a deal, and springs + smoot may very well be cheaper than champ by himself...

since we have thrash, betts, and simon to return kicks, ditching morton is a possibility, he is much better, but without blocking i guess it won't make a huge difference (cooley or betts might actually be better since they can break tackles more consistantly)...

hall for ola?? could happen... wouldn't save a ton of money though...

that's all i can think of right now, pierce and smoot will need new contracts soon, so that'll be extra money + draft picks/FAs... DEs, possibly a SS OL or QB...

10-26-2004, 12:40 PM	#2
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I'd like to add, I think we should cut Barrow next year if he is not completely healthy, and replace his salary by re-signing Antonio Pierce to a long-term deal; and possibly think about cutting Wynn next year as well, just so we can pace the cap hit a little better. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

10-26-2004, 12:33 PM	#1
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	How are the Redskins going to manage the cap in the next few years? Does anyone find it disturbing that in 2006, the salaries for the top 10 guys on the team (in salary) are going to escalate in the neighborhood of 2-3 million dollars each? Samuels and Arrington together will account for somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 million dollars. How are they going to manage the cap - or are they anticipating making a ton of cuts, taking a huge hit, and rebuilding? I think their only hope is renegotiating with Arrington and Samuels, cutting Wynn, Barrow, McCants, Daniels, Morton and Brunell (unless they are willing to take large pay cuts), and hoping that we can draft some great players after the 1st round in the next 2 years (to fill the holes at cheap rates). That way, the only guys making salaries that will eat away at the cap would be Portis, Jansen, Coles, Springs, Taylor, Thomas, Griffin, Arrington (renegotiated), and Samuels (renegotiated). That is not bad, because those guys are all borderline pro bowl talents and deserve the contracts. The wildcard in all of this is Ramsey. If he starts next year, and blows up, we are going to have a huge problem fitting those other guys, and Ramsey, under the cap. Honestly, it sounds nuts, but it might not be such a bad thing if he turns into a QB with a rating of like 80 or so, who manages the game well (a la Dilfer) from a salary cap perspective. Is that ludicrous? What do you guys think? __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

10-26-2004, 01:07 PM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	We already renegotiated with Arrington....

10-26-2004, 01:11 PM	#4
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Redksins are cap masters and always will be. Thye'll renegotiate where they need to and cut where they need to. This is the best thing about having I think. He is so adept and at getting lower profile guys to play huge football(ie:Pierce) that we can take a small hit here and there and see little in the way of on field product. At least I hope!

10-26-2004, 01:35 PM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	We were asking the same questions back in 2000, I've yet to see this "cap hell" the critics warned us about. That's what re-negotiations are for, plus the TV contracts will bump up the cap.

10-26-2004, 01:49 PM	#6
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Were gonna HAVE to redo samuels deal, and then cut brunnel Wynn and a couple of other guys, like Morton. But we might also have to let Smoot go.

10-26-2004, 02:15 PM	#7
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 40 Posts: 486	Ive got faith in Dan

10-26-2004, 02:25 PM	#8
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	One thing that all of the cap critics keep forgetting is that the league's TV deal is up in another year and will be renegotiated for a far greater amount than it is now which will increase the cap. The cap is calculated based on league revenues if I am not mistaken. Cerrato made the comment during the offseason that they have planned for a 'significant cap increase' over the next few years.

10-26-2004, 02:40 PM	#10
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	We need Crazy Canuck in on this.

10-26-2004, 02:59 PM	#11
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	I agree JoeRedskin. That is why I mentioned in another thread about seeing what Arrington could bring in a trade. I'm not saying he should be traded but he is a huge contract and like you said signing all of these high priced players has not caused the skins to win. Maybe the skins could trade some of these players for cheaper players and draft picks and build the team the way New England has. It is an idea I think the team should look into.

10-26-2004, 03:34 PM	#12
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	It seems like every month or two (and more often in the off-season) someone put up one of these salary cap threads. The truth is, no one really knows. Like Matty, I'll believe the "cap hell" theory when I see it (I don't think we will). It is an ongoing process, and I believe the idea is that if we start winning, players will WANT to stay, even if it means a little less money, or distributing it differently. Of course all players won't want to do that, but I think when Gibbs refers to players that are "real Redskins", that is what he means. It works for the Patriots....players stay there (and other players want to go there) because they win. Even the Eagles are that way...they just let the players leave for a year or two, then come back. I think we will see minimal turnover the next couple years, especially compared to what we've seen the past few years. Yeah, we'll probably lose some players we'd rather keep and have to replace them, but that's how it is with EVERY team.

10-26-2004, 03:40 PM	#13
MarkBrunell Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10	Danny "Dead Money" Snyder will manage things all right. He managed to give me a $8.6 million signing bonus. That's pretty good for a dead arm coming off a year of vacation. I'll be backing up next year's #1 draft pick because he can't afford to get rid of me. Whew.

10-26-2004, 05:19 PM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	cap hell won't happen until the nfl's profits start declining (not the near future) or at least level off... samuels is hella expensive next year, and brunell is super expensive too... wynn is paid a good deal more than he's worth, as is mccants for being inactive... arrington isn't really that bad a deal, and springs + smoot may very well be cheaper than champ by himself... since we have thrash, betts, and simon to return kicks, ditching morton is a possibility, he is much better, but without blocking i guess it won't make a huge difference (cooley or betts might actually be better since they can break tackles more consistantly)... hall for ola?? could happen... wouldn't save a ton of money though... that's all i can think of right now, pierce and smoot will need new contracts soon, so that'll be extra money + draft picks/FAs... DEs, possibly a SS OL or QB...

How are the Redskins going to manage the cap in the next few years?

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