Gibbs says "Mark's the man"

skin4Life28 · 10-13-2004, 07:36 PM

Mark brunell will be our starter this week. http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3014918

cpayne5 · 10-13-2004, 07:38 PM

This makes me think he may have started wavering:

"There's a temptation there," the Redskins' coach said Wednesday. "And you see it all the time. 'Let's change a person because it's an easy thing to do.' I want to do what's right. Right now, Mark's the guy."

ZackMills · 10-13-2004, 08:00 PM

so one of the league's worst offensive teams will remain one of the worst offensive teams, great

Riggo44 · 10-13-2004, 08:50 PM

I must say that I have to agree with Gibbs for one more week. But if Brunell is still playing like crap at half time. I hope we bench his ass!

DirtBagZ · 10-13-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

"There's a temptation there," the Redskins' coach said Wednesday. "And you see it all the time. 'Let's change a person because it's an easy thing to do.' I want to do what's right. Right now, Mark's the guy."

Looks like 1-5 is on the way, at least the folks in Chicago will get to experience the joy of not losing this Sunday. How many losses is it going to take before Gibbs wakes up to the fact that Brunell is no longer a starting NFL caliber QB?

SUNRA · 10-14-2004, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Looks like 1-5 is on the way, at least the folks in Chicago will get to experience the joy of not losing this Sunday. How many losses is it going to take before Gibbs wakes up to the fact that Brunell is no longer a starting NFL caliber QB?

That's a great way to look at this week's game. To hell with a weak special teams and O line. Let's not even mention the bust that Portis has become. He's still thinking about the fumbles and hasn't been able to shake it off. If Portis is handling 90% of the handoffs we will certainly have another L in the column.

offiss · 10-14-2004, 12:57 AM

Brunell has to show he can push the ball up the field, he can't just sit back throw the ball away and hope something magical happen's to score points, if he's not showing he can do this, then give him the hook at halftime, I want to see consistant ball controlling drives, not a desperation bomb for a completion to pad stats.

Shane · 10-14-2004, 02:33 AM

"I would say if there's any person we could change on our football team that would help us, we would do it. ... I don't think I would hesitate to do it," Gibbs said. "But I also think that if somebody's earned that job and they're fighting their guts out doing everything they could and you look at it and say this guy's not the problem, that would be the wrong thing to do."

- Joe Gibbs

Joe Gibbs doesn't say one thing in public and then say another behind closed doors. There is no equivocation in the above statement.

Joe Gibbs isn't going to Pat Ramsey because Pat Ramsey just isn't ready to lead this football team, and Mark Brunell is not the problem. There are a host of reasons why the team isn't performing well on offense.

It wouldn't be wise to put Ramsey in there right now with the status of our transitionary offensive planning, our protection issues, and other issues on offense. It wouldn't be wise to put Ramsey in there with his current level of development as a quarterback. It would be too much to ask him to manage the offense effectively and also be an inspiring leader.

Furthermore it would send a message to the team that when the going gets tough, it's time to scapegoat someone - someone who is fighting his guts out and doing everything he can. That's not the Gibbs way, and that's not the Redskin way.

The best way to be happier is to change your expectations not your quarterback.

MTK · 10-13-2004, 09:45 PM

Gibbs is NEVER going to call out one of his players in the media, it's just not gonna happen no matter how poorly a player is performing. Standing behind his players in the press is his MO. He'll always deal with issues in-house.

Keep in mind that just because he publicly has Brunell's back it doesn't mean behind closed doors at Redskins Park he has the same stance. Gibbs has to see Brunell struggling, he also has to know that Ramsey's strong arm could add an interesting dimension to the offense.

Gibbs will make a change when he feels he has no choice. That choice could be coming soon. My prediction is Ramsey will be the starter after the bye if Brunell stinks up the joint in Chicago, and I wouldn't rule out Brunell getting the hook at halftime in Chicago if Brunell is playing poorly.

Beemnseven · 10-14-2004, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is NEVER going to call out one of his players in the media, it's just not gonna happen no matter how poorly a player is performing. Standing behind his players in the press is his MO. He'll always deal with issues in-house.

Keep in mind that just because he publicly has Brunell's back it doesn't mean behind closed doors at Redskins Park he has the same stance. Gibbs has to see Brunell struggling, he also has to know that Ramsey's strong arm could add an interesting dimension to the offense.

Gibbs will make a change when he feels he has no choice. That choice could be coming soon. My prediction is Ramsey will be the starter after the bye if Brunell stinks up the joint in Chicago, and I wouldn't rule out Brunell getting the hook at halftime in Chicago if Brunell is playing poorly.

The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.

SkinsRock · 10-14-2004, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.

If throwing 3 INT's is so much worse, I guess you would bench Favre after his awful performance on Monday???
Consider the situation....Ramsey came in to put the ball down the field and try to come back and win the game. At least he didn't "hand" the ball to the defense so they could run it for a TD....in multiple games!

Beemnseven · 10-20-2004, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

If throwing 3 INT's is so much worse, I guess you would bench Favre after his awful performance on Monday???
Consider the situation....Ramsey came in to put the ball down the field and try to come back and win the game. At least he didn't "hand" the ball to the defense so they could run it for a TD....in multiple games!

First of all, I don't think it's fair to compare Brett Favre with Patrick Ramsey. Favre has shown slightly more than Ramsey has at this point. Don't you agree?

Secondly, Ramsey didn't come in to "put the ball down the field" -- he came in to win -- and very obviously didn't come anywhere close. As far as "handing" the ball to the defense, I don't know how you can describe three interceptions any other way.

That Guy · 10-14-2004, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.

so you'll judge ramsey by one bad half, but brunell gets a free pass on his many many bad halves and the 21 points he gave up...

Beemnseven · 10-20-2004, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

so you'll judge ramsey by one bad half, but brunell gets a free pass on his many many bad halves and the 21 points he gave up...

Whoa, whoa, whoa there. That was just my feeling as to Gibbs' reasoning for sticking with Brunell.

I think Ramsey should play. I just don't think his performance against the Giants did him any favors.

(sorry for the delay in response, I've been away)

RedHokieSkin · 10-20-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The problem is, Brunell, as ineffective as he has been at moving the ball, never actually plays as "poorly" as, say, ... oh, I don't know -- tossing 3 interceptions in less than one half of a game.

That outing against the Giants sealed the fate of Ramsey for many, many games. Gibbs saw that performance as the reason Brunell is his guy and why he will stick with him until he's injured.

Maybe you're right with regards to what Gibbs saw. Here's what I saw.

I saw the Giants score 10 points off Brunell's turnovers and 0 off Ramsey's. I saw Brunell leave the game after leading the Redskins to a 20-7 deficit at half time (not that this was all his fault). I saw Ramsey come into the game in a bad position and lead his team with authority down the field before Gardner dropped an easy pass in the endzone. I saw Ramsey drive the offense impressively down the field again and score a TD. I saw Ramsey throw 2 picks that were arguably not his fault and a third, in the end zone, that definitely was his fault. I saw Ramsey throw 2 of those picks late in the game when the offense had to throw the ball because of a non-existant running game and time was running out.

I saw that my friends and I actually had hope that we could win the game because Ramsey was playing. If Brunell had stayed in the game, did anyone seriously have a shred of hope that we could mount a comeback?

Personally, though Ramsey made some mistakes, I feel he showed he has a lot of promise. Hopefully Gibbs will admit that Brunell isn't playing as we all had hoped and will give Ramsey a chance in the upcoming weeks.

10-13-2004, 07:36 PM	#1
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	Gibbs says "Mark's the man" Mark brunell will be our starter this week. http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3014918

10-13-2004, 07:38 PM	#2
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	This makes me think he may have started wavering: "There's a temptation there," the Redskins' coach said Wednesday. "And you see it all the time. 'Let's change a person because it's an easy thing to do.' I want to do what's right. Right now, Mark's the guy." __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

10-13-2004, 08:50 PM	#4
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	I must say that I have to agree with Gibbs for one more week. But if Brunell is still playing like crap at half time. I hope we bench his ass! __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

10-13-2004, 08:00 PM	#3
ZackMills Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 176	so one of the league's worst offensive teams will remain one of the worst offensive teams, great

10-14-2004, 12:57 AM	#7
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Brunell has to show he can push the ball up the field, he can't just sit back throw the ball away and hope something magical happen's to score points, if he's not showing he can do this, then give him the hook at halftime, I want to see consistant ball controlling drives, not a desperation bomb for a completion to pad stats.

10-14-2004, 02:33 AM	#8
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	"I would say if there's any person we could change on our football team that would help us, we would do it. ... I don't think I would hesitate to do it," Gibbs said. "But I also think that if somebody's earned that job and they're fighting their guts out doing everything they could and you look at it and say this guy's not the problem, that would be the wrong thing to do." - Joe Gibbs Joe Gibbs doesn't say one thing in public and then say another behind closed doors. There is no equivocation in the above statement. Joe Gibbs isn't going to Pat Ramsey because Pat Ramsey just isn't ready to lead this football team, and Mark Brunell is not the problem. There are a host of reasons why the team isn't performing well on offense. It wouldn't be wise to put Ramsey in there right now with the status of our transitionary offensive planning, our protection issues, and other issues on offense. It wouldn't be wise to put Ramsey in there with his current level of development as a quarterback. It would be too much to ask him to manage the offense effectively and also be an inspiring leader. Furthermore it would send a message to the team that when the going gets tough, it's time to scapegoat someone - someone who is fighting his guts out and doing everything he can. That's not the Gibbs way, and that's not the Redskin way. The best way to be happier is to change your expectations not your quarterback.

10-13-2004, 09:45 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Gibbs is NEVER going to call out one of his players in the media, it's just not gonna happen no matter how poorly a player is performing. Standing behind his players in the press is his MO. He'll always deal with issues in-house. Keep in mind that just because he publicly has Brunell's back it doesn't mean behind closed doors at Redskins Park he has the same stance. Gibbs has to see Brunell struggling, he also has to know that Ramsey's strong arm could add an interesting dimension to the offense. Gibbs will make a change when he feels he has no choice. That choice could be coming soon. My prediction is Ramsey will be the starter after the bye if Brunell stinks up the joint in Chicago, and I wouldn't rule out Brunell getting the hook at halftime in Chicago if Brunell is playing poorly.

Gibbs says "Mark's the man"

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