Where was Keiland Williams???

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Far be it from me to start a frustration thread, but he has been a bright spot on offense. So why wasn't he used more today? James Davis? Really??

[WaldSkins]

To be fair i think we only ran the ball a combined 15 times.

With the multiple dropped passes and penalties it was hard to establish the run. Plus our run defense is horrible, so they could never get the vikings off the field.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

To be fair i think we only ran the ball a combined 15 times.

With the multiple dropped passes and penalties it was hard to establish the run. Plus our run defense is horrible, so they could never get the vikings off the field.

True but he has been a pretty decent recevier outta the backfield also. But James Davis?? Come on.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

To be fair i think we only ran the ball a combined 15 times.

With the multiple dropped passes and penalties it was hard to establish the run. Plus our run defense is horrible, so they could never get the vikings off the field.

13 times actually.

Unless you're the Patriots... I don't know how you expect to win games (especially when you have a makeshift WR squad) running only 13 times. Sigh.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

13 times actually.

Unless you're the Patriots... I don't know how you expect to win games (especially when you have a makeshift WR squad) running only 13 times. Sigh.

And even the Pats are flexible enough in which they can pound you down with Green-Ellis if they want to. We have to pass because we have no other choice when facing strong front 4s.

[skinsguy]

When you're gaining an average of about 1 yard per carry, why would you stick with the running game?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

When you're gaining an average of about 1 yard per carry, why would you stick with the running game?

Run game opens up the pass. Open up the pass, you can go back to the run. Obviously running it 2 downs and then throwing it is kind of predictable. But that's what we do.

Plus having practice squad fodder as your premiere back for the game seemed kinda ridiculous.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Run game opens up the pass. Open up the pass, you can go back to the run. Obviously running it 2 downs and then throwing it is kind of predictable. But that's what we do.

Plus having practice squad fodder as your premiere back for the game seemed kinda ridiculous.

LOL! You can't open up the passing game when you're averaging 1 yard per carry! And why complain about not running the ball, but then complain about running the ball on two downs and then passing it? Isn't that what you're saying they should have been doing? And the "practice squad fodder"...well... who is on the team to run the ball? We cut Larry Johnson, we cut Willie Parker, Torrain is hurt, and Clinton Portis is out for the rest of the season. There's nobody else to hand the ball off. It all starts in the trenches, that's where your running game is going.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

LOL! You can't open up the passing game when you're averaging 1 yard per carry! And why complain about not running the ball, but then complain about running the ball on two downs and then passing it? Isn't that what you're saying they should have been doing? And the "practice squad fodder"...well... who is on the team to run the ball? We cut Larry Johnson, we cut Willie Parker, Torrain is hurt, and Clinton Portis is out for the rest of the season. There's nobody else to hand the ball off. It all starts in the trenches, that's where your running game is going.

Well if you're passing 3 downs, I'm pretty sure that the other team is going to play the pass and NOT the run. Vikes were blowing up McNabb all game. Did we even do 1 draw play all game? That's the whole point. It's the Gibbs philosophy. I'm saying they need to mix it up. Gibbs never completely abandoned the run, even in tough games. The first drive of the game, Skins mixed it up. Did some dual TE forms, wildcat, they had a pretty mixed bag. Then after that they went conservative. Dink and dunk passes and it wasn't until we switched into desperation mode after the half we started throwing downfield. And if we're gonna throw, why are you gonna complete phase out Cooley after he produced so well in the first drive? I get that he was probably covered but damn, 3 whole quarters he wasn't even a target afterwards?

Keiland Williams had done decent in previous games. He's no Portis or Torrain but when you're taking a practice squad dude over someone who has at least proven that they can play a backup role... Well....

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well if you're passing 3 downs, I'm pretty sure that the other team is going to play the pass and NOT the run. Vikes were blowing up McNabb all game. Did we even do 1 draw play all game? That's the whole point. It's the Gibbs philosophy. I'm saying they need to mix it up. Gibbs never completely abandoned the run, even in tough games. The first drive of the game, Skins mixed it up. Did some dual TE forms, wildcat, they had a pretty mixed bag. Then after that they went conservative. Dink and dunk passes and it wasn't until we switched into desperation mode after the half we started throwing downfield. And if we're gonna throw, why are you gonna complete phase out Cooley after he produced so well in the first drive? I get that he was probably covered but damn, 3 whole quarters he wasn't even a target afterwards?

Keiland Williams had done decent in previous games. He's no Portis or Torrain but when you're taking a practice squad dude over someone who has at least proven that they can play a backup role... Well....

First of all, the first 10 to 15 plays of the game are just about always scripted. That is the reason why you normally see the offense look decent at the start of any game. Plus, the defenses adjust to the game plan making you as the offensive coordinator having to adjust your game plan according to the defense's adjustments. That's pretty much the cat and mouse game of any NFL game you're going to watch.

Secondly, this isn't Gibbs' offense. It really doesn't matter if a team is a run first to set up the pass or the other way around. There isn't anything in the bible that says "Thou shalt always run first to set up the pass". It all happens with your offensive line, always. Philosophy has nothing to do with. Gibbs had big offensive linemen who didn't need to worry about quickness as much as power to open up holes up the middle or maybe just enough speed for counter plays. But, Gibbs philosophy wasn't built upon a zone running type of offense as what Shanahan's offense is based on. The offense obviously still doesn't have the right personnel up front to make Shanahan's offense work on a consistent basis.

Also, there were plenty of plays in which the Redskins would have had first downs or would have had large gains if not for poor execution. Armstrong makes a huge play down field only to drop a pass right to him in the flat. You can't expect to stick with the run when you're facing 3 and 10 or 3 and 15. Look, the Redskins were facing a very talented, all-pro defensive line. I don't care what their record was, it is tough to run against that team, especially with our offensive line. THAT is the reason why you were seeing more dink and donk and a pass happy offense than what Shannahan normally likes to do. In the case of the Vikings and our running back situation, we did just exactly what we needed to do game plan wise, the players just didn't execute.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

When you're gaining an average of about 1 yard per carry, why would you stick with the running game?

There was an interview with Shanny this offseason in which he discussed his running game, particularly that he sticks with it even when it isn't working, because the stretch plays wear out the defense. Regardless, it's hard to say the running play isn't working when you only run it 13 times.

[saden1]

This is what happens when you get out coached. Shanahans = absolute morons!

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is what happens when you get out coached. Shanahans = absolute morons!

Im not really giving up on them as of yet. It's not there fault that they inherited a team full of over paid bums.

[SouperMeister]

Yet another shitty offensive gameplan by Boy Wonder. Daddy probably scripted the plays on the first drive that worked so well. It never occurred to Junior that perhaps our O-line needed extra TE help on the edge when McNabb was getting swarmed in the 2nd half.

[SFREDSKIN]

This thread should be, where the hell was our running game. 13 attempts just doesn't cut it, I don't care what type of DL the Vikings have, at least attempt some runs specially when you are being rushed and hardly have any time to pass the ball. Shitty game plan.