Reggie Bush vs Lindell White

[saden1]

Everyone is talking about Bush and he definitely has some mad skills, most notably his ability to elude tackles. But I am left to wonder if Bush has been oversold and over hyped. Can he pound the ball for 16 NFL games? Is he another Peter Warrick? Are people overlooking how good Lindell White is?

[EternalEnigma21]

I have a hunch that Reggie Bush's stock may plummet a bit this evening... I don't think USC is as good as they seem. Hell fresno state nearly beat them. I know nearly beating someone isn't beating them, but they shouldn't even have been competetive.

Then again, we should've beaten the cards by 20.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I have a hunch that Reggie Bush's stock may plummet a bit this evening... I don't think USC is as good as they seem. Hell fresno state nearly beat them. I know nearly beating someone isn't beating them, but they shouldn't even have been competetive.

Then again, we should've beaten the cards by 20.

I have to point out that the only reason Fresno State didn't beat USC is because of Reggie Bush. He had 513 all purpose yards! That's freakin ridiculous. Reggie Bush shows up big when the games are on the line. Without Bush they don't beat ND either. He's a great ballplayer.

I am concerned that he may not be able to carry the load, but that's also why I think that going to the Texans is the best thing that could happen to him. You put him in the same backfield as Domanick Davis and that run game is really scary. All they would have to do then is figure out how to pass block and they could threaten the Jags for the wild card spot in that division since the Colts are gonna be winning for the foreseeable future.

[Warpath]

I don't think Reggie Bush's stock goes anywhere but up after tonights game. I think that USC will prove thats its worthy of all the hype. Vince Young is indeed a great athlete but I just think that USA can beat Texas on so many different levels with different players. I believe that USC has a higher caliber of players at the skilled positions. I do imagine a close game until the 3rd quarter when UCS has been known to make outstanding in game adjustments. USC wins by 14.

[Defensewins]

Bush and Lindell White are good players, but the stud in the college football right now at the skill offense positions is Vince Young. If anyone has not seen him play before today, make sure you watch him tonight. The guy is the next Micheal Vick, but much bigger and possibly more athletic. At 6' 5" and 230 lbs he is much bigger than Vick and nearly as fast.

Young's run-pass ability has him within shouting distance of becoming the first player to throw for 2,500 yards and run for 1,000 in the same season. Already, he is 28-2 as a starter, tied with both Bobby Layne for the most wins in school history and Nebraska's Turner Gill for seventh-best winning percentage (.933).

The guy is originally from here (Houston), so I have followed his career closely since I moved here two years ago. IMO the guy is the best college player period.

[steveo395]

Reggie Bush is so overrated....the USC o-line is amazing...if the texans draft him, they are morons, especially since they already have domanick davis who is probably better than bush

[hooskins]

The game tonight is overhyped, and im finally glad it is gonna happen, im sick and tired of ESPN only showing crap on the Rose Bowl.

[redrock-skins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

The game tonight is overhyped, and im finally glad it is gonna happen, im sick and tired of ESPN only showing crap on the Rose Bowl.

Maybe it was, but it lived up to its billing and more. That's as good a game as you'll ever see.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by redrock-skins

Maybe it was, but it lived up to its billing and more. That's as good a game as you'll ever see.

Yea it wasn't THAT bad lol. Actually it was pretty good, I just get annoyed with the media and when they keep on talking about the same thing.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Bush and Lindell White are good players, but the stud in the college football right now at the skill offense positions is Vince Young. If anyone has not seen him play before today, make sure you watch him tonight. The guy is the next Micheal Vick, but much bigger and possibly more athletic. At 6' 5" and 230 lbs he is much bigger than Vick and nearly as fast.

Young's run-pass ability has him within shouting distance of becoming the first player to throw for 2,500 yards and run for 1,000 in the same season. Already, he is 28-2 as a starter, tied with both Bobby Layne for the most wins in school history and Nebraska's Turner Gill for seventh-best winning percentage (.933).

The guy is originally from here (Houston), so I have followed his career closely since I moved here two years ago. IMO the guy is the best college player period.

Any Questions?
Bush should return the Heisman. The wrong guy got it.
Vince Young will be the #1 pick if he decides to come out.
Even Lindell White will get drafted before Bush.
The Heisman voting system needs to be changed. What do a bunch of pencil necked geek press guys know about Football? Most of those guys have never even played the game. The coaches should vote instead of press. Plus the award should be given after the championship game.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Any Questions?
Bush should return the Heisman. The wrong guy got it.
Vince Young will be the #1 pick if he decides to come out.
Even Lindell White will get drafted before Bush.
The Heisman voting system needs to be changed. What do a bunch of pencil necked geek press guys know about Football? Most of those guys have never even played the game. The coaches should vote instead of press. Plus the award should be given after the championship game.

White's not going before Bush and I highly doubt that Young would either. First of all, Bush had 19 touches for 177 yards and a TD. That TD was electric. He didn't have a great game by his standards, but he still averaged over 6 yards per carry. The issue was that he didn't get the ball enough.

I won't argue that Vince Young had an amazing game, but USC's D isn't nearly as good as Texas's.

Also, you have to look at who has the pick. The Texans would pick Bush because they like Carr and they don't need 2 power runners. I would, however, think that Young should go ahead of Lienart.

I'm not necessarily directing this you at you Defensewins, but I don't like when people just wait for someone to fail. Reggie Bush made one bad play that game and you won't convince that that cost them the game because all USC had to do was tackle. Or Lienart could have made a play on the last play of the game. Or he could have not throw that pick in the end zone. USC made too many stupid mistakes to win that game. One of them was also not getting the football in Reggie Bush's hands.

USC didn't lose because of Reggie Bush.

I do, however, agree that the Hiesman committee should wait to vote until after the bowl games. I'm pretty sure that if they had Young would have gotten it. However, if coaches voted before the bowl games, I'd have to say that it would have still gone to Bush.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by jdlea

..I'm not necessarily directing this you at you Defensewins, but I don't like when people just wait for someone to fail. Reggie Bush made one bad play that game and you won't convince that that cost them the game because all USC had to do was tackle. Or Lienart could have made a play on the last play of the game. Or he could have not throw that pick in the end zone. USC made too many stupid mistakes to win that game. One of them was also not getting the football in Reggie Bush's hands.

USC didn't lose because of Reggie Bush.

I know you are not directing it at me, but nobody is saying R. Bush failed. He had a great game. R. Bush is one of 2 or 3 top players in the entire country.
I am not saying he is not great. The guy IS the next Barry Sanders. However he is also running behind one of the best O-lines in the nation and playing with Heisman winning QB, plus another 1st round RB helping him. He is not carring most of the offensive load like V. Young is.

Plus did you see the Texas vs. Ohio State game earlier this year? Besides tonights game, the second played best game this year. Very physical game! Vince Young removed Ohio State from National title hopes in the Horse Shoe. I am not sure if you ever seen a game at Ohio U but it is one of the toughest places to win. I knew from that day V. Young is the best period.
The guy by himself is a difference maker.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I know you are not directing it at me, but nobody is saying R. Bush failed. He had a great game. R. Bush is one of 2 or 3 top players in the entire country.
I am not saying he is not great. The guy IS the next Barry Sanders. However he is also running behind one of the best O-lines in the nation and playing with Heisman winning QB. He is not carring the offensive load like Young is.
Plus did you see the texas vs. Ohio State game earlier this year? Vince Young remove Ohio State from National title hopes in the Horse Shoe. I am not sure if you ever seen a game at Ohio U but it is one of the toughest places to win. I knew from that day V. Young is the best period.

I'm not gonna argue that Vince Young isn't a great football player. I love watching him. He got me hooked against OK State. That pump fake and then turn on the after burners down the sidelines made me believe he was great. I don't doubt that he can play, all I'm saying is that I'm tired of the people who try to take everything away from Reggie Bush just because he's on one the most talented teams in the history of college football.

I also won't argue that USC has a great O Line, that said, I also don't think that he's necessarily overrated. He passes what Tom Jackson calls the "eye test." Every time I watch him play he amazes me at some point in the game. ND wins that game if Reggie Bush isn't on the team. Fresno State does too. And he was sick against Cal. I think he'll make a great pro just like Vince Young, who btw, should turn pro now.

I'm just sick of everybody saying that his o line is great so he's not that good. It's not true. I saw some stat tonight that showed how many 20+ yard plays he has this season and while I don't remember the number I know that it wowed me when I saw it. I think it worked out to like 5 a game or something. He's excellent in the open field, that's got nothing to do with the O Line.

I do however have real expectations for Reggie Bush. That's why I think the Texans are the perfect fit. I think he comes to Houston and splits time with Domanick Davis. It would help keep them both healthy which is good cause Davis has issues with that and who knows if Reggie can take the NFL grind, right? Now, I think if he comes into that situation David Carr immediately gets better because teams really have to respect the run now. They always have a fresh back who is more than serviceable. And I think Andre Johnson helps keep defenses honest. I think that he's can't miss if you don't ask him to carry the load. And I'll go out on a limb and say that if he gets 15 carries a game he could go for close to 1300 yards.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Bush and Lindell White are good players, but the stud in the college football right now at the skill offense positions is Vince Young. If anyone has not seen him play before today, make sure you watch him tonight. The guy is the next Micheal Vick, but much bigger and possibly more athletic. At 6' 5" and 230 lbs he is much bigger than Vick and nearly as fast.

Young's run-pass ability has him within shouting distance of becoming the first player to throw for 2,500 yards and run for 1,000 in the same season. Already, he is 28-2 as a starter, tied with both Bobby Layne for the most wins in school history and Nebraska's Turner Gill for seventh-best winning percentage (.933).

The guy is originally from here (Houston), so I have followed his career closely since I moved here two years ago. IMO the guy is the best college player period.

Dude, you are so on the money. Vince Young dominated USC. He breaks tackles like a FB, has the speed of a tailback, and is a pretty damn accurate passer. When he got the ball back with two minutes, you just know USC was in big trouble. If I was Casserly in Houston, I would trade David Carr and pick Young #1 over Reggie Bush after what I saw this evening.

[FRPLG]

Has anyone here watched Bush more than once? Or more than a few plays? The guy is universally regarded by people who actually know what they are talking about as the best rb to come since Barry Sanders. As much as Kiper is a tool the guy knows college football players and he knows everything. He knows crap we don't even have the mind to consider. Stuff like a DT's ability to get his hands from his three point stance to the OLs upper body or the ratio of an OTs thigh angle to his lower leg angle. Just random stuff that seems to have an affect on when a football player is going to be good. He says Bush is the best player he has ever seen. I think he is a tool but I think he knows what he is talking about. Bush is most likely the real deal guys whether we want to emotionally admit it or not.