Cerrato

Stacks42 · 03-01-2006, 12:49 PM

V. Cerrato has f-ed our team again with this whole salary cap fiasco. He did it when he was here the first time, then Schottenheimer comes in and "rights the ship" for one year, Cerrato comes back and trashes it again. Why is he still around? He over pays everyone, is a poor talent evaluator, and structures deals that end up biting the skins in the ass, not to mention those crazy bug eyes. I know he is DS's boy but where ever he goes, he seems to bring salary cap problems along with him, hes the one that screwed up the 49ers cap years ago.

Daseal · 03-01-2006, 12:51 PM

Uhm, the Redskins have been one of the best teams in the league at massaging the salary cap, we're not the only team that will be completely screwed if the CBA doesn't get signed. For instance, the Atlanta Falcons are well under the cap as it stands now, but if the CBA isn't signed then they may have to cut Warrick Dunn (stole that from Pasta Belly). I really can't put any blame on the Redskins organization for the way they've handled the cap, the CBA is a bit of an exception, but I have yet to see us fall into cap hell where we have to liquify the team (see the Titans)

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

V. Cerrato has f-ed our team again with this whole salary cap fiasco. He did it when he was here the first time, then Schottenheimer comes in and "rights the ship" for one year, Cerrato comes back and trashes it again. Why is he still around? He over pays everyone, is a poor talent evaluator, and structures deals that end up biting the skins in the ass, not to mention those crazy bug eyes. I know he is DS's boy but where ever he goes, he seems to bring salary cap problems along with him, hes the one that screwed up the 49ers cap years ago.

Cerrato isn't the GM. Moreover, many of the recent free agent acquisitions have been good - Griffin, Moss, Washington, Springs, Portis, Thomas, Clark, to name a few. Who we draft is often determined by the coach, Snyder, and the scouting reports (which Cerrato doesn't do). So, I'm not sure how Cerrato is to blame. But, I know he's a popular figure to blame.

While we may be entering the depths of the salary cap hell, we wouldn't be (at least yet) if the CBA were extended (as most thought it would be). The Redskins have done a pretty good job of proving people like me wrong about how good/bad our cap is being managed. For years people like me said that we were going to go into cap jail. We haven't really seen too much cap hell yet (save the loss of Pierce and Smoot). If an extension to the CBA is reached, we might not ever see cap hell.

Paintrain · 03-01-2006, 01:09 PM

I actually think what the Redskins did, planning wise, was a decent job of managing the cap.. Their obvious mis-step was assuming the CBA would be signed. If so, they would only be about 8 million over the cap, easily able to get to that point and have $$ to sign free agents... Nobody anticipated this labor situation coming to pass and even with it coming we are potentially looking at not having 4 starters (Royal, Clark, Hall, Wynn) from last season's playoff team? We'll have no veteran depth, but with teams looking at releasing players like Dunn, Derrick Brooks, Moulds, Simeon Rice it's not going to be as ugly as it will be in other cities from a star/impact player standpoint.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 01:13 PM

if a new cba happens, we'll be fine. last year the skin made almost no moves (rabach, cheap... moss, VERY cheap, and patten, also cheap) in an effort to balance out the cap which was spiraling a bit out of control. they were fixing it with sound financial restraint, but a dead cba will kill it outright.

the 4 worst contracts we have right now are lavar (pre gibbs), brunell (that on gibbs being to eager and falling into a one way bidding war with himself), wynn (pre gibbs), and samuels (danny coul've gotten him MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper if he didn't wait and let walter jones sign a crazy deal instead).

that's it. the portis contract isn't great, but its structured well enough that the bonus money won't be killer when its time to rework or let him go. They signed marshall to a long deal before he started 16 games at MLB, washington has earned his check and moss performed WAY above his deal. everyone else is generally a good value.

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 01:18 PM

the good news (i guess) is at least these players are coming back:
5 offensive starters, 5 defensive starters, #2 QB, #2 RB, and a crappy WR...

Chris Cooley
Taylor Jacobs
Manuel White Jr.
Mark Brunell
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
LaVar Arrington
Shawn Springs
Clinton Portis
Jason Campbell
Sean Taylor
Santana Moss
Carlos Rogers

That Guy · 03-01-2006, 01:19 PM

our draft strategy suddenly changes to include a LOT more players at every position, especially offensive line.

celts32 · 03-01-2006, 01:21 PM

I am not a big Vinny fan, but your giving him a little to much credit here. vinny does what he's told...he doesn't make any decisions that dictate the Redskins salary cap. He runs scouting and he may give opinions on players himself, but he does not have final say on anything that happens. So to blame him for being over the cap is wrong.

dmek25 · 03-01-2006, 01:49 PM

if the cba was signed,would this thread have even been started?

Monksdown · 03-01-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

if the cba was signed,would this thread have even been started?

Yes, but for different reasons. For example: Is anyone else sick and tired of the emails trying to sell the limited field view seating we get during the regular season. I for one am, and therefore, Vinny Cerrato sucks.

Something like that would definitely have popped up.

MTK · 03-01-2006, 02:00 PM

I can't believe we made it this far into the offseason without a Cerrato bashing thread.

He doesn't have much to do with the team operations anymore, so let's give the guy a break already.

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-01-2006, 02:04 PM

Just a random thought, if Taylor gets sent to jail does he still count against the salary cap?

Huddle · 03-01-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Just a random thought, if Taylor gets sent to jail does he still count against the salary cap?

Not unless he has an escape clause in his contract.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-01-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

Not unless he has an escape clause in his contract.

My understanding is that we wouldn't automatically get the money back (and taken off the cap). I believe we would have to go to an arbitrator to get the money back. We would have to convince the arbitrator that, under the terms of the contract, we are entitled to get the money back because of Sean's alleged illegal activities. I haven't read Sean's contract (obviously), but I assume there is a provision that allows us to get money back in the event he is convicted of a crime and goes to jail.

SmootSmack · 03-01-2006, 02:54 PM

I'm not one to go pimping other sites, but really this one of the best interviews with VC I've read.

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showt...threadid=95692

03-01-2006, 12:49 PM	#1
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 48 Posts: 836	Cerrato V. Cerrato has f-ed our team again with this whole salary cap fiasco. He did it when he was here the first time, then Schottenheimer comes in and "rights the ship" for one year, Cerrato comes back and trashes it again. Why is he still around? He over pays everyone, is a poor talent evaluator, and structures deals that end up biting the skins in the ass, not to mention those crazy bug eyes. I know he is DS's boy but where ever he goes, he seems to bring salary cap problems along with him, hes the one that screwed up the 49ers cap years ago. __________________ The NEXT special teams coordinator

03-01-2006, 01:09 PM	#4
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Cerrato I actually think what the Redskins did, planning wise, was a decent job of managing the cap.. Their obvious mis-step was assuming the CBA would be signed. If so, they would only be about 8 million over the cap, easily able to get to that point and have $$ to sign free agents... Nobody anticipated this labor situation coming to pass and even with it coming we are potentially looking at not having 4 starters (Royal, Clark, Hall, Wynn) from last season's playoff team? We'll have no veteran depth, but with teams looking at releasing players like Dunn, Derrick Brooks, Moulds, Simeon Rice it's not going to be as ugly as it will be in other cities from a star/impact player standpoint. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

03-01-2006, 01:13 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Cerrato if a new cba happens, we'll be fine. last year the skin made almost no moves (rabach, cheap... moss, VERY cheap, and patten, also cheap) in an effort to balance out the cap which was spiraling a bit out of control. they were fixing it with sound financial restraint, but a dead cba will kill it outright. the 4 worst contracts we have right now are lavar (pre gibbs), brunell (that on gibbs being to eager and falling into a one way bidding war with himself), wynn (pre gibbs), and samuels (danny coul've gotten him MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper if he didn't wait and let walter jones sign a crazy deal instead). that's it. the portis contract isn't great, but its structured well enough that the bonus money won't be killer when its time to rework or let him go. They signed marshall to a long deal before he started 16 games at MLB, washington has earned his check and moss performed WAY above his deal. everyone else is generally a good value.

03-01-2006, 01:18 PM	#6
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Cerrato the good news (i guess) is at least these players are coming back: 5 offensive starters, 5 defensive starters, #2 QB, #2 RB, and a crappy WR... Chris Cooley Taylor Jacobs Manuel White Jr. Mark Brunell Cornelius Griffin Randy Thomas LaVar Arrington Shawn Springs Clinton Portis Jason Campbell Sean Taylor Santana Moss Carlos Rogers

03-01-2006, 01:19 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Cerrato our draft strategy suddenly changes to include a LOT more players at every position, especially offensive line.

03-01-2006, 12:51 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Cerrato Uhm, the Redskins have been one of the best teams in the league at massaging the salary cap, we're not the only team that will be completely screwed if the CBA doesn't get signed. For instance, the Atlanta Falcons are well under the cap as it stands now, but if the CBA isn't signed then they may have to cut Warrick Dunn (stole that from Pasta Belly). I really can't put any blame on the Redskins organization for the way they've handled the cap, the CBA is a bit of an exception, but I have yet to see us fall into cap hell where we have to liquify the team (see the Titans) __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-01-2006, 01:21 PM	#8
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Re: Cerrato I am not a big Vinny fan, but your giving him a little to much credit here. vinny does what he's told...he doesn't make any decisions that dictate the Redskins salary cap. He runs scouting and he may give opinions on players himself, but he does not have final say on anything that happens. So to blame him for being over the cap is wrong. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

03-01-2006, 01:49 PM	#9
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Cerrato if the cba was signed,would this thread have even been started? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

03-01-2006, 02:00 PM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Cerrato I can't believe we made it this far into the offseason without a Cerrato bashing thread. He doesn't have much to do with the team operations anymore, so let's give the guy a break already. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-01-2006, 02:04 PM	#12
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Cerrato Just a random thought, if Taylor gets sent to jail does he still count against the salary cap? __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

03-01-2006, 02:54 PM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Cerrato I'm not one to go pimping other sites, but really this one of the best interviews with VC I've read. http://extremeskins.com/forums/showt...threadid=95692 __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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