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Old 03-17-2006, 12:11 PM   #1
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More digs at the Skins from Fatty P

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2368074

I like his comment about the roster being "blown up" in each of the last 2 years, nothing like stretching the truth just a tad.



Oh, Danny, yoi: For weeks leading up to free agency, owners around the league whispered that it was mathematically impossible for the Washington Redskins to get under the salary cap, and they chortled that fraternity brother Dan Snyder would not be able to continue his free-spending ways. Yet three days into free agency, the Redskins have added wide receivers Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd, tight end Christian Fauria, defensive end Andre Carter and safety Archuleta.

So, either Washington contracts manager Eric Schaffer is a genius or Snyder has found a way to circumvent the cap. Seems it must be the former, since none of the legion of the team officials who keep wondering privately how the Redskins are able to add players -- and who complain to the media about Washington's laxity in turning in contracts to the league -- apparently has the gumption to raise the issue with the NFL Management Council. Give Snyder, whose team is a veritable mint, credit for this: He's terrible at reading a blueprint but great at doling out the long green.

In each of the last two springs, Snyder has vowed publicly that the roster he has assembled will represent the Redskins' team for three years. Then the inevitable occurs. Washington doesn't win a Super Bowl, the roster is blown up and Snyder goes back to the vault for another free-agent spending spree. One of these years, paying out all that money actually might pay off in a championship.

Big investments in small return men: There are a lot of people in the NFL who like Randle El but believe that he is just a No. 3 wide receiver and that his biggest contribution comes as a return man. If that's the case, the Redskins shelled out a lot of Snyder's cash for a punt returner. Unless, of course, you buy the joke making the rounds -- that Randle El, who threw a touchdown pass to Hines Ward on a reverse in Super Bowl XL and who played quarterback at Indiana, owns the best arm on the Redskins' roster, by default.
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:14 PM   #2
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:14 PM   #3
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We blew up the roster? I didn't know that? That sucks.

I'm going to miss Samuels, Raybach, Jansen, Dockery, Thomas, Moss, Portis, Cooley, Washington, Griffin, Rogers, Springs, Taylor, Cartwright, Betts, Daniels, Salave'a, etc. etc.
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We blew up the roster? I didn't know that? That sucks.

I'm going to miss Samuels, Raybach, Jansen, Dockery, Thomas, Moss, Portis, Cooley, Washington, Griffin, Rogers, Springs, Taylor, Cartwright, Betts, Daniels, Salave'a, etc. etc.
And it comments like that by these guys that piss me off. It is just intellectually dishonest. King, Pasta, Banks and the rest are entitled to their opinions but they try to pass those opinions off as being supported by making factually conclusive statements that are at, best, disengenous. In doing so, b/c others rely on these guys for the "facts", they perpetuate the anti-skin bias held by other talking heads and local medias. How many people did the research concerning the likelihood that the Skins would be signing 20-30 rookies if the CBA hadn't gone through? I believe it started w/ Pasta and got repeated by everyone else.

These guys are paid the big bucks - yet they can't follow simple analytical rules: Check the facts and conduct an analysis based on those facts then reach a conclusion (i.e. who did we sign, who did we cut, what role did those cut play, what role will those signed play, what was the stated reason for the cuts and signings, do the stated reasons match the factual backgrounds of the signings and cuts?). It's a lot of work but, hey, isn't that what they are supposed to be doing all day?

Instead we get these "blow up the roster" and "cutting Corey Raymer is significant" type of comments. I mean seriously, what could Pasta's basis be for saying we are blowing up the roster? Cutting Ramsey and Arrington? Two players who had almost no role in last year's playoff run and who's replacement has been debated for at least a year now? Replacing marginal starters with better players (Bowen, Clark - Archuletta)? Signing players who hopefully will upgrade a position that was obviously a need (Lloyd, R-El)?

Get the facts straight, conduct an analysis, support your conclusions. I thought those were the requirements for good analytical commentary. Apparently, I was wrong.

But That Guy is right - they won't shut up unless and until we start winning.
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Get the facts straight, conduct an analysis, support your conclusions. I thought those were the requirements for good analytical commentary. Apparently, I was wrong.
No, you're right. Key word though is "good" anlytical commentary. This is something Lenny P has proven time and time again he is completely incapable of.

The fact is the guy is incompetent. Period. He's not insightful. He's not provocative. He's not ingenius. He's just some guy with opinions that some fool thought should be voiced to the outside world. It used to bother me too, but then I found this site and realized if I want intelligent commentary and football discussion, I have a place to turn to and it doesn't involve biased and moronic football writers/"experts".
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And it comments like that by these guys that piss me off. It is just intellectually dishonest. King, Pasta, Banks and the rest are entitled to their opinions but they try to pass those opinions off as being supported by making factually conclusive statements that are at, best, disengenous. In doing so, b/c others rely on these guys for the "facts", they perpetuate the anti-skin bias held by other talking heads and local medias. How many people did the research concerning the likelihood that the Skins would be signing 20-30 rookies if the CBA hadn't gone through? I believe it started w/ Pasta and got repeated by everyone else.

These guys are paid the big bucks - yet they can't follow simple analytical rules: Check the facts and conduct an analysis based on those facts then reach a conclusion (i.e. who did we sign, who did we cut, what role did those cut play, what role will those signed play, what was the stated reason for the cuts and signings, do the stated reasons match the factual backgrounds of the signings and cuts?). It's a lot of work but, hey, isn't that what they are supposed to be doing all day?

Instead we get these "blow up the roster" and "cutting Corey Raymer is significant" type of comments. I mean seriously, what could Pasta's basis be for saying we are blowing up the roster? Cutting Ramsey and Arrington? Two players who had almost no role in last year's playoff run and who's replacement has been debated for at least a year now? Replacing marginal starters with better players (Bowen, Clark - Archuletta)? Signing players who hopefully will upgrade a position that was obviously a need (Lloyd, R-El)?

Get the facts straight, conduct an analysis, support your conclusions. I thought those were the requirements for good analytical commentary. Apparently, I was wrong.

But That Guy is right - they won't shut up unless and until we start winning.
and see, this is where other fans get their opinions of our team.
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Old 03-17-2006, 10:10 PM   #7
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Guys, give the P-man a break. Someone has to write the articles to make the fans of the other 31 teams feel better. Like...for instance... Philly fans. It wouldn't be nice to tell them: "Hey, you guys just have cheap owners and really could have won the suprbowl a couple of years ago if they had just signed a couple more key guys". Instead, point at the Redskins and say they are dumb for signing the best free agents available. Say things to help them believe that the Skins are conducting shady accounting by not handing out the players contracts to any shmuck that asks. Make up stuff about them "blowing up" the roster so that they think thier team is still on the same off-season playing field. Tell them that the skins are killing themselves by trading draft picks... and how the Lions will end up drafting a great first round receiver this year when the skins should have.

He is just serving up what those other fans need. It's kinda like he is "Jabba the waitress".
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:19 AM   #8
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In doing so, b/c others rely on these guys for the "facts", they perpetuate the anti-skin bias held by other talking heads and local medias. How many people did the research concerning the likelihood that the Skins would be signing 20-30 rookies if the CBA hadn't gone through? I believe it started w/ Pasta and got repeated by everyone else.

look, at the time that article was written it was 100% true. people keep using it as some form of proof of bias... the problem is that statement was absollutely correct at the time it was written (no restructures had been done and the cba looked like it might really be dead).
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look, at the time that article was written it was 100% true. people keep using it as some form of proof of bias... the problem is that statement was absollutely correct at the time it was written (no restructures had been done and the cba looked like it might really be dead).
No, it wasn't true. If the CBA had not gone through, we would have been tough up against it but clearly Pasta's "there's no way they can get under the cap" statement was wrong. Yes - w/o restructures, we couldn't have done it. But - and here's where sloppy analysis and bias do come into play - rather than look at how the cap could be managed and discussed the possibility of restructuring, Pasta simply went with the "no way" argument. Was he unaware of the possibility of restructures? I doubt it.

Did he even attempt to see how it might be done? Again, I doubt it. Any actual research into ways to resolve the issue OTHER than simply cutting players? An interview with Skins staff? If the statement had been - w/o restructures, they can't get under the cap, and, even with them, they will likely have to cut some players they would rather not - that would have reflected a more accurate analysis. That, however, was not the conclusion drawn.

As for his latest conclusory statement, again - any mention of how the roster is being "blown up", how is he defining that term?

As I said, my problem with these jokers criticism of the Skins is that it is intellectually either sloppy or dishonest. I can forgive the local San Diego (or whereever) media for getting it wrong - they're simply relying the Peter King's and Pasta's to get it right.
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Old 03-18-2006, 02:26 AM   #10
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No, it wasn't true.
except that it was. at the time no one had restructured, so it was a valid point. it WAS sloppy journalism not to mention that restructures could get them closer, but how many teams have ever gotten 12+ guys to all redo contracts (and have 2-3 give back money) in a single year to help with the cap?

it would have been a long shot to predict that, and without gibbs, it probably wouldn't have happened. Meaning that at least some players that the skins would want to keep would logically have to be cut.
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:20 PM   #11
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If they can continue to build teams without repercussion as they have to date. Snyder IS indeed a financial "Super Genius". Is it so hard to imagine that a self made Billionaire might have a few tricks up his sleeve? The MANY naysayers, Redskin haters, Snyder haters have apparently been wrong AGAIN! Those types don't like to have their respective faces spit in so often. I guess they won't ever learn. Danny and Joe have assembled a monster of a management/coaching staff. I can't wait to see it transmitted to the field!!!!!!!!
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Fatty P lose some fat off that fat ass!!! When you make as much money as Danny S come talked to us! Untill then stay away and talk about some other team!
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Yet another reason why I simply don't read these guys' articles. Lenny P, Peter King........who really cares? I know I don't. Absolutely nothing any of them have to say affects our team. They've proven time and time again that they don't really have any idea what they are talking about. Most of us on this site know at least 3 times as much about the Redskins than this fat ass or any other so-called expert. The skins blew up their roster? Really? News to me.

Give me guys like Clayton and Mortinson on ESPN for all the of the inside FACTUAL knowledge they have and you can keep the rest.
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Old 03-17-2006, 12:57 PM   #14
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Yes, we haven't blown up the roster by any means, so that is a superficial judgment, but it does seem like Pasquarelli is saying some positive things here - that we have a "genius" for cap management, and that we might win a Super Bowl.

People are awfully hard on Pasquarelli, and it seems like he may have taken it personally at times and it may have biased some of his statements about the Redskins. However, what difference do his or any reporter's opinions about the team really make? I would rather win a Super Bowl and be criticized than to have all the reporters think the Redskins are the greatest but we end up in the cellar.



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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2368074

I like his comment about the roster being "blown up" in each of the last 2 years, nothing like stretching the truth just a tad.



Oh, Danny, yoi: For weeks leading up to free agency, owners around the league whispered that it was mathematically impossible for the Washington Redskins to get under the salary cap, and they chortled that fraternity brother Dan Snyder would not be able to continue his free-spending ways. Yet three days into free agency, the Redskins have added wide receivers Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd, tight end Christian Fauria, defensive end Andre Carter and safety Archuleta.

So, either Washington contracts manager Eric Schaffer is a genius or Snyder has found a way to circumvent the cap. Seems it must be the former, since none of the legion of the team officials who keep wondering privately how the Redskins are able to add players -- and who complain to the media about Washington's laxity in turning in contracts to the league -- apparently has the gumption to raise the issue with the NFL Management Council. Give Snyder, whose team is a veritable mint, credit for this: He's terrible at reading a blueprint but great at doling out the long green.

In each of the last two springs, Snyder has vowed publicly that the roster he has assembled will represent the Redskins' team for three years. Then the inevitable occurs. Washington doesn't win a Super Bowl, the roster is blown up and Snyder goes back to the vault for another free-agent spending spree. One of these years, paying out all that money actually might pay off in a championship.

Big investments in small return men: There are a lot of people in the NFL who like Randle El but believe that he is just a No. 3 wide receiver and that his biggest contribution comes as a return man. If that's the case, the Redskins shelled out a lot of Snyder's cash for a punt returner. Unless, of course, you buy the joke making the rounds -- that Randle El, who threw a touchdown pass to Hines Ward on a reverse in Super Bowl XL and who played quarterback at Indiana, owns the best arm on the Redskins' roster, by default.
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One of these years, paying out all that money actually might pay off in a championship.
Is he actually trying to hedge here? He rips on the Redskins for taking shots in free agency like this, and then he says that it might actually pay off?

First of all, I'm sorry, but if you think there's a chance it will pay off, then why would you rip on the concept?

But more than that, I think he's sensing that the Skins are starting to build something and he doesn't want to acknowledge that Snyder might actually know what he's doing.
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