Smoking Laws in NY and NJ

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-18-2006, 10:03 AM

I meant to start a thread about this earlier because I just saw some of the interviews from people about it on TV.

Just to recap what I said in an earlier thread, I heard this interview from the Ultra Chickenhead Supreme from a bar in NJ who said and I quote: "Everybody fucking smokes. If you don't smoke, you're a fucking loser. Trust me. Everybody is grubbin' cigarettes."

I'm sure we have some smokers and non-smokers on here. I'm not a rabid anti-smoking guy, but I love the idea of being able to go to a bar and not reek of smoke. I mean it can be like when I was at college, the smokers had their own little "club" on the porches of the dorms. Let the "losers" who don't smoke have the inside of the bar and when people want a cigarette, why not walk outside?

SmootSmack · 04-18-2006, 10:08 AM

When I was in college all my friends smoked. I never did but I became desensitized to the smell of it on my clothes. But now that I'm around non-smokers again whenever we go to some bar or club that has smoking the worse thing (other than breathing in that lovely second-hand smoke) is having that stench on my clothes. Then it's even worse on your jacket. Because you have to keep wearing that jacket while that stench follows you around all week.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-18-2006, 10:12 AM

Yup, I have this leather one that just pulls it in like crazy. I try REALLY hard to see the other side of this argument but I just can't see it.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-18-2006, 10:12 AM

Normally my whole basis for arguments like this is who is incovenienced more by the other's persons rights.

saden1 · 04-18-2006, 10:14 AM

I didn't smoke for the first 24 years of my life and couple of years ago I picked up the habit. Then came the smoking ban here in Seattle, the new job and co-workers, and finally the realization that I went from maybe 5 ciggs a day to 12 a day. I quite 5 months ago and all I can say is good f'cking riddance.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-18-2006, 10:16 AM

Nice, good to see some people who aren't rabidly PRO smoker's rights either. I'd love to hear the other side of the argument too, I'm just curious.

Redskins_P · 04-18-2006, 10:27 AM

I started smoking (cigarettes) when I was 14. I ended up moving to South America for a year and since everyone and their mother smoke down there, it became a huge habit for me. Long story short, I moved back home to the states and the first thing my mother did was send to me to the dentist because my teeth were literally dark brown. It was so embarrassing. To this day I don't smoke cigarettes (unless I'm super wasted).

I'd rather smoke something thats less harmful and at least gives you a nice buzz

Malcolm, if you hate it here. Wait till you make your first trip overseas. I've heard that in Europe everyone smokes....I mean EVERYONE. I had my first hand experience in South America and let me tell you, kids down there start smoking much earlier than here.

SmootSmack · 04-18-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Malcolm, if you hate it here. Wait till you make your first trip overseas. I've heard that in Europe everyone smokes....I mean EVERYONE.

I went with my family to Spain several years ago and we wanted to sit in the non-smoking section of a restaurant there one night. They had no concept of "non-smoking section" Someone was smoking at every table. It was late at night and there were 10 of us and we were starving but my parents refused to sit with all that smoke around.

Eventually they put together a table for us in their only non-smoking section. We sat in the kitchen

Redskins_P · 04-18-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I went with my family to Spain several years ago and we wanted to sit in the non-smoking section of a restaurant there one night. They had no concept of "non-smoking section" Someone was smoking at every table. It was late at night and there were 10 of us and we were starving but my parents refused to sit with all that smoke around.

Eventually they put together a table for us in their only non-smoking section. We sat in the kitchen

LOL! I swear its the same way in SA. Question for you........how are the smoking laws in PR? I'm sure they're similar to the ones here.

SmootSmack · 04-18-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

LOL! I swear its the same way in SA. Question for you........how are the smoking laws in PR? I'm sure they're similar to the ones here.

Effective next year smoking is banned in all restaurants, bars, and enclosed public places. Casino owners aren't too thrilled because they think they'll lose business to other Caribeean islands that allow smoking in their casinos.

MTK · 04-18-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Effective next year smoking is banned in all restaurants, bars, and enclosed public places. Casino owners aren't too thrilled because they think they'll lose business to other Caribeean islands that allow smoking in their casinos.

Speaking of casinos, when I went to Vegas the first few days there were rough until I got used to all the smoke. People smoke everywhere out there, it's ridiculous.

saden1 · 04-18-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

....I've heard that in Europe everyone smokes....I mean EVERYONE. I had my first hand experience in South America and let me tell you, kids down there start smoking much earlier than here.

I was there last summer and let me tell you, people there smoke, a lot. I was shocked to see so many people smoking. Hell, when I arrived in Amsterdam airport I was impressed to see people smoking inside the airport as they walked about. I latter learned that it was illegal to smoke inside the airport but nobody gave a damn. Italy took the cake though, the streets were littered with cigarettes buds. You should have seen Saint Peter's Square!

Beemnseven · 04-18-2006, 02:33 PM

To me, the issue isn't about smokers rights vs. non-smokers rights. It's about private property rights.

If I started a restaurant, why should the government be in a position to decide for me whether I can or cannot allow smoking on my property?

MTK · 04-18-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

To me, the issue isn't about smokers rights vs. non-smokers rights. It's about private property rights.

If I started a restaurant, why should the government be in a position to decide for me whether I can or cannot allow smoking on my property?

Just because I own some land it doesn't mean I can set up shop and do whatever I want with it.

cpayne5 · 04-18-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just because I own some land it doesn't mean I can set up shop and do whatever I want with it.

The topic is not "whatever you want", it's smoking.

04-18-2006, 10:03 AM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Smoking Laws in NY and NJ I meant to start a thread about this earlier because I just saw some of the interviews from people about it on TV. Just to recap what I said in an earlier thread, I heard this interview from the Ultra Chickenhead Supreme from a bar in NJ who said and I quote: "Everybody fucking smokes. If you don't smoke, you're a fucking loser. Trust me. Everybody is grubbin' cigarettes." I'm sure we have some smokers and non-smokers on here. I'm not a rabid anti-smoking guy, but I love the idea of being able to go to a bar and not reek of smoke. I mean it can be like when I was at college, the smokers had their own little "club" on the porches of the dorms. Let the "losers" who don't smoke have the inside of the bar and when people want a cigarette, why not walk outside? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-18-2006, 10:08 AM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ When I was in college all my friends smoked. I never did but I became desensitized to the smell of it on my clothes. But now that I'm around non-smokers again whenever we go to some bar or club that has smoking the worse thing (other than breathing in that lovely second-hand smoke) is having that stench on my clothes. Then it's even worse on your jacket. Because you have to keep wearing that jacket while that stench follows you around all week. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-18-2006, 10:12 AM	#3
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ Yup, I have this leather one that just pulls it in like crazy. I try REALLY hard to see the other side of this argument but I just can't see it. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-18-2006, 10:12 AM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ Normally my whole basis for arguments like this is who is incovenienced more by the other's persons rights. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-18-2006, 10:14 AM	#5
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ I didn't smoke for the first 24 years of my life and couple of years ago I picked up the habit. Then came the smoking ban here in Seattle, the new job and co-workers, and finally the realization that I went from maybe 5 ciggs a day to 12 a day. I quite 5 months ago and all I can say is good f'cking riddance. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

04-18-2006, 10:16 AM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ Nice, good to see some people who aren't rabidly PRO smoker's rights either. I'd love to hear the other side of the argument too, I'm just curious. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-18-2006, 10:27 AM	#7
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ I started smoking (cigarettes) when I was 14. I ended up moving to South America for a year and since everyone and their mother smoke down there, it became a huge habit for me. Long story short, I moved back home to the states and the first thing my mother did was send to me to the dentist because my teeth were literally dark brown. It was so embarrassing. To this day I don't smoke cigarettes (unless I'm super wasted). I'd rather smoke something thats less harmful and at least gives you a nice buzz Malcolm, if you hate it here. Wait till you make your first trip overseas. I've heard that in Europe everyone smokes....I mean EVERYONE. I had my first hand experience in South America and let me tell you, kids down there start smoking much earlier than here.

04-18-2006, 02:33 PM	#13
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Smoking Laws in NY and NJ To me, the issue isn't about smokers rights vs. non-smokers rights. It's about private property rights. If I started a restaurant, why should the government be in a position to decide for me whether I can or cannot allow smoking on my property?

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