Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better

hooskins · 09-26-2006, 01:46 PM

Everyone is saying we played Gibbs football this, Gibbs football that. But I think if Gibbs was calling the plays, we would not have ran so well. Obviously our passing was not all Saunders style(no deep passes, but some screens), our run game was all Al. This is why.

1)Gibbs is all about power running. Straight up the middle, hard earned yards.

2)Alot of Gibbs running plays are in the I formation.

3)What did we see in the game? Alot of singleback 2-4 wideout, runs. That is all Saunders, and something I feel Gibbs would not have done on his own.

4) There were alot of runs to the outside, with the line pulling, which Gibbs does not do.

Therefore, my claim is without Al, the game would been closer, and now with Al, our running offense is only getting better. Stop hating on Al.

dmek25 · 09-26-2006, 01:57 PM

hey hoo, alittle love for Al? Saunders running style has the bigger chance for both the long run, and loss of yardage. almost like a home-run hitter. Gibbs straight ahead is almost guaranteed positive yardage, with the emphasis on getting what you earn. Saunders definitely has a higher chance of the big play

offiss · 09-27-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

hey hoo, alittle love for Al? Saunders running style has the bigger chance for both the long run, and loss of yardage. almost like a home-run hitter. Gibbs straight ahead is almost guaranteed positive yardage, with the emphasis on getting what you earn. Saunders definitely has a higher chance of the big play

Saunders running game is a lot less predictable than Gibbs, back in the 80's we never fooled anyone with the run they all knew it was coming but no one could stop it, that's not the case any longer. We now need deception in the running game via the draw plays, and shovel passes, etc. Saunders running game is designed to take full advantage of Portis's abilities, where as Gibbs running game was designed to end Portis's career prematuraly.

illdefined · 09-26-2006, 01:59 PM

some people here are seriously bi-polar. asking for Al's head one week, then praising his 'record breaking' gameplan the next week.

fact is, so far, we've had two unequivocally terrible games against good, established teams, and one good game against a terrible team.

our offense is as yet unestablished and Al's 700 page playbook spans multiple games vs. multiple teams. Mike Sellers has confirmed as much. it's just too soon to tell.

D'BOYZ · 09-26-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

some people here are seriously bi-polar. asking for Al's head one week, then praising his 'record breaking' gameplan the next week.

fact is, so far, we've had two unequivocally terrible games against good, established teams, and one good game against a terrible team.

our offense is as yet unestablished and Al's 700 page playbook spans multiple games vs. multiple teams. Mike Sellers has confirmed as much. it's just too soon to tell.

I totally agree well said

illdefined · 09-26-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

I totally agree well said

eek. thats not gonna win me any favors around here.

12thMan · 09-26-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

eek. thats not gonna win me any favors around here.

Ill, something you want to tell us??

illdefined · 09-26-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Ill, something you want to tell us??

yes. Dallas sucks and always will suck. their toilet bowl stadium sucks, their fruity uniform sucks, their owner sucks, and so does their crybaby wide receiver. that is all.

GTripp0012 · 09-26-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

some people here are seriously bi-polar. asking for Al's head one week, then praising his 'record breaking' gameplan the next week.

fact is, so far, we've had two unequivocally terrible games against good, established teams, and one good game against a terrible team.

our offense is as yet unestablished and Al's 700 page playbook spans multiple games vs. multiple teams. Mike Sellers has confirmed as much. it's just too soon to tell.

I was one of the people who was criticising the playcalling after the Dallas game. I wasn't saying, "Saunders sucks, fire him!" or anything, but I was critisizing him for not doing EXACTLY what he did against Houston. A methodical offense that mixes short passes with runs is hard to defend, easy to execute, and universially effective. You really have to pull your safeties up to defend it, and Saunders (I absoulutely guarentee you) was waiting for his chance to go deep. The Texans never gave him that chance. I'm not sure the Jags will either. But the Giants...I know for a fact they will. Brunell has his confidence back, and this offense will be clicking on all cylinders over the next few weeks.

The defense however, I don't see improving anytime soon. It's good still, but weaker than last year, plain and simple.

That Guy · 09-26-2006, 02:00 PM

um, gibbs runs mainly out of singleback, saunders used LOTs more I form in KC than gibbs ever did here.

and gibbs doesn't pull? I seriously think you should look back at thomas and dockery last year as well as back at the hogs.

the thing al does more of is screen type plays to RBs and WRs, but last year gibbs did tons of that to cooley and moss too.

JWsleep · 09-26-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

um, gibbs runs mainly out of singleback, saunders used LOTs more I form in KC than gibbs ever did here.

and gibbs doesn't pull? I seriously think you should look back at thomas and dockery last year as well as back at the hogs.

the thing al does more of is screen type plays to RBs and WRs, but last year gibbs did tons of that to cooley and moss too.

You are correct, sir. Not to mention that the Counter tre is the epitome of a pulling play--the classic Gibbs running play.

DaveyFoSho · 09-26-2006, 02:07 PM

The hogs trademark was pulling

Chief X_Phackter · 09-26-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Everyone is saying we played Gibbs football this, Gibbs football that. But I think if Gibbs was calling the plays, we would not have ran so well. Obviously our passing was not all Saunders style(no deep passes, but some screens), our run game was all Al. This is why.

1)Gibbs is all about power running. Straight up the middle, hard earned yards.

2)Alot of Gibbs running plays are in the I formation.

3)What did we see in the game? Alot of singleback 2-4 wideout, runs. That is all Saunders, and something I feel Gibbs would not have done on his own.

4) There were alot of runs to the outside, with the line pulling, which Gibbs does not do.

Therefore, my claim is without Al, the game would been closer, and now with Al, our running offense is only getting better. Stop hating on Al.

Actually Gibbs made runs to the outside, with the line pulling, famous in the '80s. Ever heard of the Counter Trey? Jeff Bostic, Mark May and George Starke blocking to the left, giving the appearance of a run to the left. Russ Grimm and Joe Jacoby pulling around the right corner and down the field looking for linebackers and defensive backs to flatten? I'd say if anything, what Al Saunders is employing is a product of 'ole Joe Gibbs.

GhettoDogAllStars · 09-26-2006, 02:38 PM

you forgot roy williams...he sucks too

12thMan · 09-26-2006, 02:42 PM

Okay, CSkin has weighed in on the matter. Can we get one or two more Warpathers and it's official:0

09-26-2006, 01:46 PM	#1
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 38 Posts: 8,606	Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better Everyone is saying we played Gibbs football this, Gibbs football that. But I think if Gibbs was calling the plays, we would not have ran so well. Obviously our passing was not all Saunders style(no deep passes, but some screens), our run game was all Al. This is why. 1)Gibbs is all about power running. Straight up the middle, hard earned yards. 2)Alot of Gibbs running plays are in the I formation. 3)What did we see in the game? Alot of singleback 2-4 wideout, runs. That is all Saunders, and something I feel Gibbs would not have done on his own. 4) There were alot of runs to the outside, with the line pulling, which Gibbs does not do. Therefore, my claim is without Al, the game would been closer, and now with Al, our running offense is only getting better. Stop hating on Al. __________________ Vacancy

09-26-2006, 01:57 PM	#2
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better hey hoo, alittle love for Al? Saunders running style has the bigger chance for both the long run, and loss of yardage. almost like a home-run hitter. Gibbs straight ahead is almost guaranteed positive yardage, with the emphasis on getting what you earn. Saunders definitely has a higher chance of the big play __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

09-26-2006, 01:59 PM	#4
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	Re: Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better some people here are seriously bi-polar. asking for Al's head one week, then praising his 'record breaking' gameplan the next week. fact is, so far, we've had two unequivocally terrible games against good, established teams, and one good game against a terrible team. our offense is as yet unestablished and Al's 700 page playbook spans multiple games vs. multiple teams. Mike Sellers has confirmed as much. it's just too soon to tell. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

09-26-2006, 02:00 PM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better um, gibbs runs mainly out of singleback, saunders used LOTs more I form in KC than gibbs ever did here. and gibbs doesn't pull? I seriously think you should look back at thomas and dockery last year as well as back at the hogs. the thing al does more of is screen type plays to RBs and WRs, but last year gibbs did tons of that to cooley and moss too.

09-26-2006, 02:07 PM	#12
DaveyFoSho Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Potomac, MD Age: 39 Posts: 304	Re: Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better The hogs trademark was pulling __________________ DaveyFoSho

09-26-2006, 02:38 PM	#14
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better you forgot roy williams...he sucks too

09-26-2006, 02:42 PM	#15
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Saunder's running game is a bit different than Gibbs, but it works better Okay, CSkin has weighed in on the matter. Can we get one or two more Warpathers and it's official:0

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