Heartbreaking...this is killing me!!

[70chip13083]

Hey guys! This is my first post, but I have lurked here for a couple of years. I'm not sure why it took me so long to register or post. Maybe it was knowing that once I got started posting in this forum...I'd spend way too much time here. I can't help my self now. I've been a Skins fan since '81. A Skins vs. Cowboys game that year, was the first game I ever watched. I never looked back. The Redskins have been my obsession...win or lose ever since. I have and will continue to be loyal to my team. HOWEVER, I'm starting to lose my mind here. I truly thought after Gibbs came back and a winning season last year, that I would have something to really cheer about! Now it looks like we are on the brink of rebuilding with a coach (who I love) who does not embrace change. Are we back at square one again? I'm not sure I can take it again....way too much dissapointment for years. I think last years tease makes it even worse.Where do we go from here?

[Twilbert07]

I guess we have to start looking at last year as the same kind of blip as 1999. We made the playoffs in those two years. Outside of those two seasons, we've been pretty bad since Gibbs left - 6-10, 5-11, 8-8, 6-10, etc. Looks like we're headed for another 6-10 or 5-11 season this year.

After Joe leaves (and may he stay as long as he desires), we need to start from scratch.

[MTK]

Accept it and move on. The rest of the season will be alot more bearable if you just accept the fact that we stink and have stunk all season.

[SmootSmack]

Look at it this way. If there weren't so many great memories there'd be nothing to be upset about now. Think of what made you a fan and have some faith that good times lie ahead. Maybe not this year, but this franchise will be successful once again.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yeah, I think a lot of us thought that we really weren't that bad with all the injuries. I think a lot of us thought that the Jacksonville win would give us momentum. I think a lot of us thought the Dallas win would give us momentum. It just turns out, we're only a fluke.

Our defense is a shell of what it once was. Even with all the same players back, we're not attacking the ball like we used to. Even though Arizona got sounded spanked last night, at least they swarmed to the ball. Obviously, the first and most important change to make is as QB right now.

Sure, it can't all be put on him, and I've discussed it at ad nausem with the usual Monday Morning AIM Crew and we've come to the conclusion that it isn't Saunder's playcalling, it's Saunders adjusting to what Brunell can do. Simply put, Brunell cannot or does not WANT to throw the deep ball. I put part of this on Gibbs. It's like he makes QBs TERRIFIED to throw a ball into a tight spot.

I think with a move here or there in the offseason, the defense will be back to itself. I think we sign Nate Clements, move Springs to nickel and our secondary will be money. We just need to make sure we draft the RIGHT DE.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Yeah, I think a lot of us thought that we really weren't that bad with all the injuries. I think a lot of us thought that the Jacksonville win would give us momentum. I think a lot of us thought the Dallas win would give us momentum. It just turns out, we're only a fluke.

Our defense is a shell of what it once was. Even with all the same players back, we're not attacking the ball like we used to. Even though Arizona got sounded spanked last night, at least they swarmed to the ball. Obviously, the first and most important change to make is as QB right now.

Sure, it can't all be put on him, and I've discussed it at ad nausem with the usual Monday Morning AIM Crew and we've come to the conclusion that it isn't Saunder's playcalling, it's Saunders adjusting to what Brunell can do. Simply put, Brunell cannot or does not WANT to throw the deep ball. I put part of this on Gibbs. It's like he makes QBs TERRIFIED to throw a ball into a tight spot.

I think with a move here or there in the offseason, the defense will be back to itself. I think we sign Nate Clements, move Springs to nickel and our secondary will be money. We just need to make sure we draft the RIGHT DE.

Just as you say, a player here and there, and a few adjustments beginning with JC and we'll be ok. NO major rebuilding necessary. The future is now

[70chip13083]

I appreciate the comments. Acceptance? Been there. Done that. I do agree that it would not be so disappointing if there wasn't so many great memories. However, how long should fans just accept and move on? Doesn't the organization owe more to their fans? I was sick yesterday. From the players to the coaching staff, it appeared they lacked emotion at all. I guess they were practicing acceptance while they collected their checks for just being their. One interesting thing though. The fans did not look like they were accepting...just disgusted.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70chip13083

I appreciate the comments. Acceptance? Been there. Done that. I do agree that it would not be so disappointing if there wasn't so many great memories. However, how long should fans just accept and move on? Doesn't the organization owe more to their fans? I was sick yesterday. From the players to the coaching staff, it appeared they lacked emotion at all. I guess they were practicing acceptance while they collected their checks for just being their. One interesting thing though. The fans did not look like they were accepting...just disgusted.

I guess I've never felt like I owe them anything nor do they owe me anything. My friends and family are the ones that truly make me happy and that I "owe" or "owe" me. I love the Redskins, and of course love to see them win, but-big picture-it'll be a sad day in my life when I need the Redskins or any sports team.

[Hog1]

Truly Inspirational Moderation! Thankyou for the moment

[70chip13083]

Let's put this in context, Tafkas. I'm a father of 2 young girls. Obviously, football can never really be compared to family and friends. However, considering that most of have some kind of passion for the Skins and football in general, it does play a role in who we are. Also, since football is a business that is driven by the fans to produce revenue, they do in fact us us something.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70chip13083

Let's put this in context, Tafkas. I'm a father of 2 young girls. Obviously, football can never really be compared to family and friends. However, considering that most of have some kind of passion for the Skins and football in general, it does play a role in who we are. Also, since football is a business that is driven by the fans to produce revenue, they do in fact us us something.

I understand what you're saying. I mean I've been a season ticket holder to the Washington Bullets/Wizards for over 10 years and clearly I'm happier when they win than when they don't. I guess I just don't feel like I'm being cheated when they don't win the way some others do.

[SkinsTerps424]

Originally Posted by 70chip13083

Let's put this in context, Tafkas. I'm a father of 2 young girls. Obviously, football can never really be compared to family and friends. However, considering that most of have some kind of passion for the Skins and football in general, it does play a role in who we are. Also, since football is a business that is driven by the fans to produce revenue, they do in fact us us something.

This is the whole problem. I love Joe Gibbs, he will always be a legend. But when we get our asses kicked all over the field, and Joe apologizes for not stopping to meet fans on their way out and he says he "owes those fans something" there is a huge f*cking problem in my mind. I know it was a couple of weeks ago, the skins don't owe the fans crap. However they should be thinking in the back of their minds that their fans in fact do pay a pretty penny to see them. That should motivate the team, the problem is this team lacks heart and emotion. I don't know what it is, but all this Politically correct bullshit responses that the team is giving after games is getting really old. I want to see people mad, this isn't a happy go lucky atmosphere or situation in washington. All this team owes skins fans is the truth, some emotion on and off the field, and truly show the fans that they care. It is just so baffling to me how this team is this lost at this point of the season.

[Hog1]

It's like suggesting to a Cop, "I pay your salary".

[MTK]

The Redskins are a fun diversion from reality for me. I certainly don't lose any sleep over their losses that's for sure. When I was younger I took it more much more seriously but in the grand scheme of life it's not very important. Nobody forces us to be Redskins fans. It's completely voluntary, so if you think the Redskins owe you something, you owe yourself a serious reality check.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Redskins are a fun diversion from reality for me. I certainly don't lose any sleep over their losses that's for sure. When I was younger I took it more much more seriously but in the grand scheme of life it's not very important. Nobody forces us to be Redskins fans. It's completely voluntary, so if you think the Redskins owe you something, you owe yourself a serious reality check.

I think some of that comes with age. I used to be more upset after a loss than I am now. It DOES affect me and I am not having a very good year on Monday mornings, but, I'm not calling suicide hotline either