Mattyk72 Presents the "Redskin Most Likely to Bounce Back in '07" Poll

[SmootSmack]

Overall, it was-to be blunt-a disappointing season for the Redskins in 2006. Some guys in particular stood out though with their disappointing performance on the field.

Which of these four guys (Archuleta, Lloyd, Marshal, Rogers) is most likely to bounce back in 2007 with a strong season for the Redskins?

Vote or Earthquake will start a thread about starting threads that Daseal will piss on as Sportscurmudgeon asks you to please consider the economic ramifications of Chief Chucking My Spear's latest rant bemoaning Schneed10's poll of optimism.

[BigSKINBauer]

Rogers is the youngest one on the list and is going to mature and come into his own.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I agree with Rogers, but dang...Archuletta and Lloyd really have nowhere to go but up

[SkinsLove24/7]

The Secondary needs rogers to come into his own and be able to shut down those #1 WR's.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinsLove24/7

The Secondary needs rogers to come into his own and be able to shut down those #1 WR's.

Not to crap all over your parade, but football outsiders does keep statistical rankings of teams defending certain positions in the passing game.

Our ranks vs:

#1 receiver: 19
#2 receiver: 30
"other" receiver: 20
TE: 28
Running backs: 32

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2006 and 2005

Considering we were the 32nd ranked passing D, we actually defend No. 1 receivers pretty well. These numbers support the case that LINEBACKERS and SAFETIES are where our trouble spot is, not the corners. That #2 receiver number is also pretty disturbing, but considering either Rogers or Springs was defending the #1 most of the time, those two guys are pretty much getting it done, even on the 32 ranked pass D.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not to crap all over your parade, but football outsiders does keep statistical rankings of teams defending certain positions in the passing game.

Our ranks vs:

#1 receiver: 19
#2 receiver: 30
"other" receiver: 20
TE: 28
Running backs: 32

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2006 and 2005

Considering we were the 32nd ranked passing D, we actually defend No. 1 receivers pretty well. These numbers support the case that LINEBACKERS and SAFETIES are where our trouble spot is, not the corners. That #2 receiver number is also pretty disturbing, but considering either Rogers or Springs was defending the #1 most of the time, those two guys are pretty much getting it done, even on the 32 ranked pass D.

Even still statistics only tell you so much and really should be taken with a grain salt when measuring what the Redskins did good and bad in '06.

My point is, because the defense as a whole was so bad, I wouldn't put too much stock in any one statistical category on the defensive side of the ball.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Even still statistics only tell you so much and really should be taken with a grain salt when measuring what the Redskins did good and bad in '06.

My point is, because the defense as a whole was so bad, I wouldn't put too much stock in any one statistical category on the defensive side of the ball.

Stats tell you who produced, and who didn't. Don't turn a blind eye just because they don't tell you why a guy performed poorly. Sometimes, "why" is irrelivant.

We didn't stop RBs, we didn't stop TE's and we didn't stop #2 WRs. Whats so bad about knowing where our problems lie so we can appropriately fix them?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Stats tell you who produced, and who didn't. Don't turn a blind eye just because they don't tell you why a guy performed poorly. Sometimes, "why" is irrelivant.

We didn't stop RBs, we didn't stop TE's and we didn't stop #2 WRs. Whats so bad about knowing where our problems lie so we can appropriately fix them?

Yes, that's true and I'm not turning a blind eye to stats, per se.

That is a valid stat you pulled, but the defense as a whole ranked at the bottom of the league. We sucked when it was time to stop the pass and we sucked when it was time to stop the run. To me that's a 'nitpick' stat.

I think a better question, in my mind, is how well did we do stopping teams on third down conversions? How many passing touchdowns did we give up inside the twenty? I'm not asking you to pull it up, but do you see where I'm going?

Another thing, in my football ignorance, I still can't my mind around exactly what is a number one as opposed to a number two receiver.
A team is going to use the best option available and try to create mismatches. Reggie Wayne torched us, yet he's considered a number two.

[sportscurmudgeon]

As usual, I'm in the distinct minority. I think that Marshall will have the biggest "comeback" next year because I think he'll be playing where he should have been playing all along - - at OLB.

On Wall Street, they talk about the "dead cat bounce". By that they mean that even the most horribly run company which is on the brink of being broken up by a bankruptcy court can have its stock "bounce" after a huge fall - - it bounces like a dead cat bounces. That is what you might see from Lloyd next year. He's about as useful as a dead cat.

I know this is a REALLY old-time reference, but JD Salinger's book Franny and Zoey has an assertion that a dead cat is the single most valuable thing in the entire universe - - because no one has ever been able to put a price on one. Whatever. Brandon Lloyd is as valuable as a dead cat.

If the Skins use Arcuhletta on defense at strong safety the way they tried to use him this year, don't expect much of a difference. Albert Einstein - not a stupid man - said that the real definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Use Archuletta as the strong safety and give him "coverage responsibilities" with Sean Taylor as his "running buddy" back there and you will see lots of opposing receivers catching lots of long passes over the middle. I don't believe those two guys can play safety at the same time and do it effectively.

I can't pick Rogers because he just wasn't nearly as butt-ugly awful last year as the others on this list. In fact, he was merely average last year.

Here is what every Redskins fan has to hope for: The Skins best comeback player next year is NOT Mark Brunell. If that is the case it means that Campbell was hurt - - or even worse Campbell showed that he couldn't cut it. In either case, that would be VERY BAD news for Skins' fans.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not to crap all over your parade, but football outsiders does keep statistical rankings of teams defending certain positions in the passing game.

Our ranks vs:

#1 receiver: 19
#2 receiver: 30
"other" receiver: 20
TE: 28
Running backs: 32

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2006 and 2005

Considering we were the 32nd ranked passing D, we actually defend No. 1 receivers pretty well. These numbers support the case that LINEBACKERS and SAFETIES are where our trouble spot is, not the corners. That #2 receiver number is also pretty disturbing, but considering either Rogers or Springs was defending the #1 most of the time, those two guys are pretty much getting it done, even on the 32 ranked pass D.

Very good point! I agree with you. Our LB's and safties were horrible last year. ST can't be a one man gang back there. We're about to loose Springs b/c he's too expensive and knows another team will pay him via free agency. I'm hoping that Rogers or AA are both much improved.

[724Skinsfan]

I picked Rogers. What did he have, 6 or 7 dropped INT's this year? Catch those balls and he'll be a Pro Bowler.

I think Lloyd has the greatest potential if he can get his act together. Too bad for him his success depends on the other receivers and the QB getting him th ball. Not to mention Saunders offense doesn't seem very stat favorable for receivers.

Hard to say what role AA and Marshall are going to play next year so speculating their bounce back is going to be hard to pinpoint.

[DiehardSkin88]

I went with Rogers. Hopefully he is going to train with Darrel Green and Deion so he can really step his game up.

[Paintrain]

Arch.. I find it impossible to believe he forgot to play football in one offseason. I think his confidence was shot and he was probably misused in GW system. Hopefully this year GW and AA will find ways to maximize his skills.

[Daseal]

I'm feeling Lloyd. I don't really think Rogers had an awful season for a 2nd year player. Lloyd didn't get the ball thrown his way very often and I see that changing in '07!

[That Guy]

don't you have to have a good season to be able to "bounce back"?

i'd guess arch. if he doesn't get burnt 4 times a game, it'll be a huge improvement.