How to finish a game..

[Paintrain]

I hope the coaching staff was watching the late 3rd quarter & 4th quarter of the MNF game.. The Pats kept attacking, offensively and defensively.. I'm not putting the Skins on par with the Pats, but against a strong scoring offense like the Bengals there was no fear in bringing the pressure defensively and up 14+ pts in the 4th quarter they CAME OUT THROWING instead of bleeding the clock.. Let's take this as a lesson on how to close out games starting vs. Detroit!

[GTripp0012]

Uh, we can't do that for a multitude of reasons. Campbell's short range accuracy sucks.

In fact, thats exactly what we DID against New York that you are complaining about. We threw, but not successfully.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, we can't do that for a multitude of reasons. Campbell's short range accuracy sucks.

In fact, thats exactly what we DID against New York that you are complaining about. We threw, but not successfully.

We might have thrown but we did not ATTACK in my opinion.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

We might have thrown but we did not ATTACK in my opinion.

EXACTLY!! We didn't try anything remotely down the field until the game was tied back up or we were down.. Our pass attempts were horizontal to the RB or 4 yd outs to the sidelines.. That's why stats lie.. I watched the shortcut (entire game cut down to 30 mins) last night again and was disgusted by the play calling on both sides of the ball.. Far too conservative!
Then to watch the Pats carve up the Bengals with the passing game and continue to be aggressive defensively by bringing pressure I was jealous from a playcalling standpoint.. I wasn't trying to compare talent, just philosophy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

EXACTLY!! We didn't try anything remotely down the field until the game was tied back up or we were down.. Our pass attempts were horizontal to the RB or 4 yd outs to the sidelines.. That's why stats lie.. I watched the shortcut (entire game cut down to 30 mins) last night again and was disgusted by the play calling on both sides of the ball.. Far too conservative!
Then to watch the Pats carve up the Bengals with the passing game and continue to be aggressive defensively by bringing pressure I was jealous from a playcalling standpoint.. I wasn't trying to compare talent, just philosophy.

We had wide open WR's that were wide open it was a case of JC not finding them. The Bengals also only had 2 LB playing in the game and had to use 5 lineman and that all the Pats needed in the second half. I also don't get the talk about our O Line because they have only gave up 5 sacks this year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

We might have thrown but we did not ATTACK in my opinion.

I would respectfully disagree and point out that, last week at least, the game plan for both the Redskins and the Patriots with the lead was very similar. The key difference between execution, or lack thereof.

However, last time I attempted to do that I was lambasted for daring to compare the two teams.

So I won't

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Uh, we can't do that for a multitude of reasons. Campbell's short range accuracy sucks.

In fact, thats exactly what we DID against New York that you are complaining about. We threw, but not successfully.

I don't remember attacking alot when we were up 14 pts. I remember running, running, and then on 3rd down and long passing. Of course later in the game when we were down 7, we started passing. Alot of difference.

Look there's got to be a good mixing of playcalls. Tom Brady is a 1st ballot HOF qb and one of the best i've ever seen. As a team we've got to mix it up. We're too predictable when we have a lead. Run, Run, Pass....Run, Run, Run...etc.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I don't remember attacking alot when we were up 14 pts. I remember running, running, and then on 3rd down and long passing. Of course later in the game when we were down 7, we started passing. Alot of difference.

Look there's got to be a good mixing of playcalls. Tom Brady is a 1st ballot HOF qb and one of the best i've ever seen. As a team we've got to mix it up. We're too predictable when we have a lead. Run, Run, Pass....Run, Run, Run...etc.

Well, if you saw Super Bowl XXII against Denver, the playcalling got VERY predictable once we were up 35-10 and 42-10 -- Gibbs called counter-trey to the right, counter-trey to the left on just about every play. As a result, Timmy Smith still holds the record for most rushing yards in a Super Bowl.

The point is, predictable playcalling isn't necessarily bad -- especially when it's working. If the running plays Al Saunders called against the Giants are executed properly, the offensive linemen for the Redskins neutralize and push back the Giant defensive linemen, then those predictable running plays get yardage, and this thread doesn't exist. Even if the Giants defense knows it's coming, they still have to stop it. Just like the Broncos knew it was coming back in 1988, and couldn't do anything to prevent it.

Again folks, it's the execution. NOT the playcalling.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, if you saw Super Bowl XXII against Denver, the playcalling got VERY predictable once we were up 35-10 and 42-10 -- Gibbs called counter-trey to the right, counter-trey to the left on just about every play. As a result, Timmy Smith still holds the record for most rushing yards in a Super Bowl.

The point is, predictable playcalling isn't necessarily bad -- especially when it's working. If the running plays Al Saunders called against the Giants are executed properly, the offensive linemen for the Redskins neutralize and push back the Giant defensive linemen, then those predictable running plays get yardage, and this thread doesn't exist. Even if the Giants defense knows it's coming, they still have to stop it. Just like the Broncos knew it was coming back in 1988, and couldn't do anything to prevent it.

Again folks, it's the execution. NOT the playcalling.

That was 50 years ago. It's a passing league now.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, if you saw Super Bowl XXII against Denver, the playcalling got VERY predictable once we were up 35-10 and 42-10 -- Gibbs called counter-trey to the right, counter-trey to the left on just about every play. As a result, Timmy Smith still holds the record for most rushing yards in a Super Bowl.

The point is, predictable playcalling isn't necessarily bad -- especially when it's working. If the running plays Al Saunders called against the Giants are executed properly, the offensive linemen for the Redskins neutralize and push back the Giant defensive linemen, then those predictable running plays get yardage, and this thread doesn't exist. Even if the Giants defense knows it's coming, they still have to stop it. Just like the Broncos knew it was coming back in 1988, and couldn't do anything to prevent it.

Again folks, it's the execution. NOT the playcalling.

It had to be a little different considering the OL Joe Gibbs had to work with then, possibly the greatest of all-time.

[Sean Taylor]

You finish the game with Mike Sellers up the gut for a TD.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor

You finish the game with Mike Sellers up the gut for a TD.

Its easy to say that now, but what if Sellers doesnt get in, your trying to open pandoras box with all the woulda coulda shouldas, no one in here is a headcoach, theres no guarentee that any of the plays would have worked, New York just played great defense at the goal line, lets leave it at that and move on to the Lions

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, if you saw Super Bowl XXII against Denver, the playcalling got VERY predictable once we were up 35-10 and 42-10 -- Gibbs called counter-trey to the right, counter-trey to the left on just about every play. As a result, Timmy Smith still holds the record for most rushing yards in a Super Bowl.

The point is, predictable playcalling isn't necessarily bad -- especially when it's working. If the running plays Al Saunders called against the Giants are executed properly, the offensive linemen for the Redskins neutralize and push back the Giant defensive linemen, then those predictable running plays get yardage, and this thread doesn't exist. Even if the Giants defense knows it's coming, they still have to stop it. Just like the Broncos knew it was coming back in 1988, and couldn't do anything to prevent it.

Again folks, it's the execution. NOT the playcalling.

35-10 is a HUGE difference than 17-3, 17-10 and 17-17.. Are you truly going to cite 'execution' and not philosophy when we've lost 11 games with a 2nd half lead and 12 games with a lead of 11 points or more since Gibbs has returned? If that's execution then that makes me REALLY question what the players are getting coached on to squander that many games..

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

35-10 is a HUGE difference than 17-3, 17-10 and 17-17.. Are you truly going to cite 'execution' and not philosophy when we've lost 11 games with a 2nd half lead and 12 games with a lead of 11 points or more since Gibbs has returned? If that's execution then that makes me REALLY question what the players are getting coached on to squander that many games..

They are, in many cases, less talented than the other team in more than a few ways.

Why is this such a difficult concept?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

35-10 is a HUGE difference than 17-3, 17-10 and 17-17.. Are you truly going to cite 'execution' and not philosophy when we've lost 11 games with a 2nd half lead and 12 games with a lead of 11 points or more since Gibbs has returned? If that's execution then that makes me REALLY question what the players are getting coached on to squander that many games..

I love it when someone uses stats to prove a point, and those figures speak volumes. So much so that all arguments should cease. If you were a debator in high school / college, I'd call you the winner.