Tied for 5th best record in NFC

[jsarno]

Judging by alot of the negativity around here lately, I think people are forgetting we are still in this.

Division leaders:
Cowboys 8-1 (we WILL beat them)
Packers 8-1 (we SHOULD have beat them)
Bucs 5-4 (we WILL beat them)
Seahawks 5-4

In the hunt:
Giants 6-3 (we SHOULD have beat them and will beat them next time)
Lions 6-3 (we creamed them)
Redskins 5-4
(5 others at 4-5)

We beat the Cowboys next week, not only are we in this, we are front runners for wild card.
If any team knows that records are thrown out the window when these teams play, it's us. We've beat them when they went to the super bowl, and vice versa. We've beat them when they have had better teams, and vice versa. Throw out everything you know, this will be a Skins victory this week and we WILL make the playoffs.

[SmootSmack]

If we lose to the Cowboys what needs to happen? Do we need to win out?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If we lose to the Cowboys what needs to happen? Do we need to win out?

Well, either the Lions or Giants will lose this week, since they play each other.

Originally Posted by djnemo65

A better thread title would perhaps be tied for 7th seed in the NFC, since that is what matters.

Nice to see your cup is half empty.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Buster

Nice to see your cup is half empty.

These are the kinds of posts that get on my nerves. I have been optimistic all season in all of my posts, because I really think we stack up well, I point out that we are third in the wildcard race and I get accused of being a pessimist. You didn't even bother to read the rest of this post. Buster, please review the NFL playoff structure.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

These are the kinds of posts that get on my nerves. I have been optimistic all season in all of my posts, because I really think we stack up well, I point out that we are third in the wildcard race and I get accused of being a pessimist. You didn't even bother to read the rest of this post. Buster, please review the NFL playoff structure.

Please review the definition of a fan.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Buster

Please review the definition of a fan.

Please review the definition of irrelevant opinion.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Buster

Please review the definition of a fan.

This reminds me of that ESPN commercial:
"Are you questioning my fanhood'...'Should your fanhood be questioned?"

ha ha ha...give me a break dude!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

It's hard to get a clear idea of what the playoff picture will look like right now. But I don't think we need to win out if we lose to the Cowboys. I think we are going to have to end up with a record of 10-6 given our poor conference record. It's definitely a tall order, but we could go 5-2.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

It's hard to get a clear idea of what the playoff picture will look like right now. But I don't think we need to win out if we lose to the Cowboys. I think we are going to have to end up with a record of 10-6 given our poor conference record. It's definitely a tall order, but we could go 5-2.

It does depend on who happens to wind up at 9 or 10 wins with us at the end of the year, but we already hold head to head tiebreakers against two serious WC threats, and still play two more.

We don't have to be great down the stretch to make the playoffs. Merely good will get it done. With all the injuries, merely good is pretty much the extent of this teams talent though.

I'm willing to step out and guarantee that this team will make the playoffs, but to be honest, I've already sort of have one eye on the offseason. I hate to say it, but the 6th seed and an early playoff exit is not a very successful season.

I was too optimistic on Campbell this year, and I'll be the first to admit it. He's still very young, and very mistake prone. The defense was a pleasant surprise early, but what we've seen the past 3 weeks is more in line with what I thought we would be on that side of the ball. Too small in the front seven to stop the run, not quite an elite pass defense. Special teams has been pretty good, but the offensive line (especially the uninjured side) hasn't gotten it done this year. Lots of young talent on this team to love, but we need to make a few critical moves to get better.

If we beat Dallas, my whole attitude changes just like that, but until then, I'll have to be forgiven for looking ahead.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It does depend on who happens to wind up at 9 or 10 wins with us at the end of the year, but we already hold head to head tiebreakers against two serious WC threats, and still play two more.

We don't have to be great down the stretch to make the playoffs. Merely good will get it done. With all the injuries, merely good is pretty much the extent of this teams talent though.

I'm willing to step out and guarantee that this team will make the playoffs, but to be honest, I've already sort of have one eye on the offseason. I hate to say it, but the 6th seed and an early playoff exit is not a very successful season.

I was too optimistic on Campbell this year, and I'll be the first to admit it. He's still very young, and very mistake prone. The defense was a pleasant surprise early, but what we've seen the past 3 weeks is more in line with what I thought we would be on that side of the ball. Too small in the front seven to stop the run, not quite an elite pass defense. Special teams has been pretty good, but the offensive line (especially the uninjured side) hasn't gotten it done this year. Lots of young talent on this team to love, but we need to make a few critical moves to get better.

If we beat Dallas, my whole attitude changes just like that, but until then, I'll have to be forgiven for looking ahead.

Please explain why you think JC is very mistake prone? When I think of very mistake prone QB's I think of Rex Grossman. I think of Alex Smith and Joey Harrington. I think of Phillip Rivers to an extent. I have yet to see JC throw 3,4 and 5 ints in a game. I have yet to see him throw into double coverage alot.

Also we have 3 300+ lb guys on the d-line. I don't think size is an issue. We might need a talent upgrade at DE and maybe one of the tackles. Colts don't have size on their front 7. They just have good players.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Please explain why you think JC is very mistake prone? When I think of very mistake prone QB's I think of Rex Grossman. I think of Alex Smith and Joey Harrington. I think of Phillip Rivers to an extent. I have yet to see JC throw 3,4 and 5 ints in a game. I have yet to see him throw into double coverage alot.

Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.

Gtripp, while the stats might be true, they might not tell the truth. What I mean is, how many of those fumbles and ints. were just flat out good defense or a fluke play as opposed to JC being careless in every situation? We can't quantify that, can we? Or lack of effort from a wide receiver, which we also can't quantify.

When you say the "league trend", understand that is more than likely a very top heavy statistic. For instance, you take three or four quarterbacks, Brady, Garcia, and Gerrard, all of whom have thrown a very low number of interceptions this year. In fact, Gerrard is the only starting NFL quarterback without an interception this year! So those guys alone, skew the stats when looking at the trend. And before Sunday's game, Peyton Manning was definitely in that category too. The majority of the QBs probably fall somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Also I can say with 100% certainty from watching JC, Grossman, and last night, Alex Smith, he's the least mistake prone of the three. He has more poise, and futhermore, he compensates for his errors in ways that stats really don't highlight.

Does he have a learning curve? No question about it. I think his decision making has been questionable at times, but again Peyton Manning threw, what, five or six picks the other night? Romo has a tendency to sling the ball into double coverage too.

I could go on and on, but I think this week's game against Dallas will prove yet again how much Campbell has matured and is maturing right before our eyes.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

He will improve as he gets older, but I was overly optimistic on him in the short term.

Sunday's game is what I think he will become in the long run. He's got a ways to go to make that a consistent performance.

So out of those 3% how many were actually his fault? I remember one hitting Moss right in his hands. I remember one where Lloyd didn't even try to go get the ball and so on. Also some of the fumbles were def not his fault too. So again, stats never ever tell the 100% truth yet you seem to live an die with them.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because he's young.

Going into this week, he was getting picked on 3% of his pass attempts, and the league average tends to be around 1.5%. He also has put the ball on the ground three times. (2006 Grossman was picked on 4% of his pass attempts, 2007 Vince Young on 5.3%)

For the record; after this week, Campbell's INT% is 2.7 which puts him at 12th in the league and better than the likes of Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, Palmer, Schaub, Brees, and Derek Anderson.

[MTRedskinsFan]

Thanks for the post jsarno. I keep telling myself things should get better: Thomas will be back; Gibbs' teams usually fly in December; how long can the fucking Packers and Cowboys maintain their win streaks, etc. I just want to see us get a shot at the playoffs at this point.