The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck!

jsarno · 09-17-2008, 12:06 PM

I understand that Hasselbeck has a slew of new WR's due to injuries, but the system remains the same, and he is doing TERRIBLE. Completing only 45.5% of his passes, 379 yards, 1 td and 3 int in 2 games. He has a rating of only 48.6 after he had the 2nd highest qb rating of his career with a 91.4 last year. I do think this shows the importance of Zorn, it seems without him he is not adjusting.
All that being said, I do not think for one second that JC's success last week was a coincidence, I firmly think Zorn worked with him all week and the success was a direct result of Zorn's coaching. Of course this could all be moot if Campbell sucks this week and Hasselbeck turns it on, but I think we're seeing why Hasselbeck was so good, and why Campbell will become what we always thought he could become.

ArtMonkDrillz · 09-17-2008, 12:13 PM

Hasselbeck has his 4 top receivers out AND he is having major back problems. All the coaching in the world wouldn't make up for those kinds of problems.

jsarno · 09-17-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Hasselbeck has his 4 top receivers out AND he is having major back problems. All the coaching in the world wouldn't make up for those kinds of problems.

There was a rumor that he had a bulging disk in his back, but anyone that has had one would know he would not be able to be out there and perform, meaning he'd be riding the pine. Hasselbeck himself downplayed the injury. I don't think it's a "major back issue" nor do I think it's even a serious problem.

skinsfan69 · 09-17-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

There was a rumor that he had a bulging disk in his back, but anyone that has had one would know he would not be able to be out there and perform, meaning he'd be riding the pine. Hasselbeck himself downplayed the injury. I don't think it's a "major back issue" nor do I think it's even a serious problem.

Either way the talent around him is totally gone. Zorn being gone has nothing to do with MH's problems. I watched a little of the Buffalo game against Seattle and their offensive line just got manhandled by Buffalo. Wasn't that their bread and butter a few years ago? MH didn't even have a chance. When you add that up with the situation at the wr position you see the results.

GTripp0012 · 09-17-2008, 12:20 PM

Correlation does not equal causation?

SmootSmack · 09-17-2008, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Correlation does not equal causation?

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a
charm.

Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, Dad.

Homer: Thank you, dear.

Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

Homer: Oh, how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn't work.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

(could use it in the AIG thread as well, I suppose)

mheisig · 09-19-2008, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a
charm.

Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, Dad.

Homer: Thank you, dear.

Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.

Homer: Oh, how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn't work.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

(could use it in the AIG thread as well, I suppose)

I love reasoning that has lots and lots of room to breathe!

rypper11 · 09-17-2008, 12:28 PM

Hasselbeck is not any worse now than last year he just doesn't have any help. JC is getting better and I think that Zorn is a great QB coach, but Hasselbeck didn't forget everything he's been taught just because Zorn is in DC.

saden1 · 09-17-2008, 12:35 PM

Guy I work with said all Zorn did was catch Hasselbeck's passes in practice. In Hasselbeck's defense he's throwing to 4th tier WR.

horse · 09-17-2008, 12:40 PM

This is why Zorn as our head coach can work. Think about it our D has been solid and we have been able to run since Portis has been here. All we needed was a QB so Zorn being a Qb coach, Helping Campbell become the final piece to our puzzle.

Schneed10 · 09-17-2008, 12:53 PM

Hasselbeck didn't just suddenly forget how to play quarterback. He's got no help, that's his problem.

SkinzzFan · 09-17-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Hasselbeck didn't just suddenly forget how to play quarterback. He's got no help, that's his problem.

Agree 100%. Imagine Campbell throwing to Brandon Lloyd and a tackling dummy and that's probably what it's like for Hasselbeck.

Dirtbag59 · 09-18-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

Agree 100%. Imagine Campbell throwing to Brandon Lloyd and a tackling dummy and that's probably what it's like for Hasselbeck.

Or take 3 xanax bars and play frogger on the highway at 5:00 pm. Matt Hasselback has no help right now, but for now I'm willing to tip the scales in favor of Zorn being a great QB coach.

Then again did anyone see a quote from Jason Campbell in the paper saying that Zorn was making stuff to complicated?

mheisig · 09-19-2008, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Hasselbeck didn't just suddenly forget how to play quarterback. He's got no help, that's his problem.

Which means that the real secret formula to success in the NFL is to have a rock solid offensive line, a number of talented receivers, and a good QB and QB coach! Throw in a good defense and now we're talking Lombardi Trophy!

Brilliant! This is brand new information! Someone get Zorn on the phone and let him know.

SBXVII · 09-17-2008, 01:30 PM

I think it's finally the system JC is best in, and one in which he understood in college. but, I will also say I think Zorn has a lot to do with this. This is what JLC from the Post had to say:

Let's take out all of the great stuff JC did, and just look at what he didn't do. Dude has made, what, 20 starts? That's it. And so far this year he has curbed the biggest problem that plagued him in his 10 starts last year: Turnovers.

Two games. No picks. No fumbles. That's over a span of 63 attempts, peeps. Let's not forget that. Remember a year ago when it took like 10 weeks for a WR to catch a TD pass? Well, Moss has two of them already this year, and none was bigger than the 67-yarder Sunday. Ten different Skins have already caught passes from JC this season.

09-17-2008, 12:06 PM	#1
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! I understand that Hasselbeck has a slew of new WR's due to injuries, but the system remains the same, and he is doing TERRIBLE. Completing only 45.5% of his passes, 379 yards, 1 td and 3 int in 2 games. He has a rating of only 48.6 after he had the 2nd highest qb rating of his career with a 91.4 last year. I do think this shows the importance of Zorn, it seems without him he is not adjusting. All that being said, I do not think for one second that JC's success last week was a coincidence, I firmly think Zorn worked with him all week and the success was a direct result of Zorn's coaching. Of course this could all be moot if Campbell sucks this week and Hasselbeck turns it on, but I think we're seeing why Hasselbeck was so good, and why Campbell will become what we always thought he could become. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

09-17-2008, 12:13 PM	#2
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! Hasselbeck has his 4 top receivers out AND he is having major back problems. All the coaching in the world wouldn't make up for those kinds of problems. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! Correlation does not equal causation? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! Hasselbeck is not any worse now than last year he just doesn't have any help. JC is getting better and I think that Zorn is a great QB coach, but Hasselbeck didn't forget everything he's been taught just because Zorn is in DC. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

09-17-2008, 12:35 PM	#9
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! Guy I work with said all Zorn did was catch Hasselbeck's passes in practice. In Hasselbeck's defense he's throwing to 4th tier WR. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

09-17-2008, 12:40 PM	#10
horse Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: long island Posts: 898	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! This is why Zorn as our head coach can work. Think about it our D has been solid and we have been able to run since Portis has been here. All we needed was a QB so Zorn being a Qb coach, Helping Campbell become the final piece to our puzzle. __________________ Hail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-17-2008, 12:53 PM	#11
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! Hasselbeck didn't just suddenly forget how to play quarterback. He's got no help, that's his problem. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

09-17-2008, 01:30 PM	#15
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck! I think it's finally the system JC is best in, and one in which he understood in college. but, I will also say I think Zorn has a lot to do with this. This is what JLC from the Post had to say: Let's take out all of the great stuff JC did, and just look at what he didn't do. Dude has made, what, 20 starts? That's it. And so far this year he has curbed the biggest problem that plagued him in his 10 starts last year: Turnovers. Two games. No picks. No fumbles. That's over a span of 63 attempts, peeps. Let's not forget that. Remember a year ago when it took like 10 weeks for a WR to catch a TD pass? Well, Moss has two of them already this year, and none was bigger than the 67-yarder Sunday. Ten different Skins have already caught passes from JC this season.

The importance of Zorn, look at Hasselbeck!

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