Mathematical Elimination from the Playoffs...

[The Goat]

I believe w/ the Atlanta win today we are now mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Anyone ready to start discussing the off-season?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Let's let the young WRs have at it next week and get a win vs. SF to end the season on a little bit of an upswing.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Let's let the young WRs have at it next week and get a win vs. SF to end the season on a little bit of an upswing.

Ditto Slingin. I think we'd all like to see our next generation of offensive weapons (hopefully) play basically the entire game next week. On that note I do believe we're seeing Davis and Thomas starting to get fired up on offense. Hopefully all three make giant strides between now and August.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Let's let the young WRs have at it next week and get a win vs. SF to end the season on a little bit of an upswing.

Agreed. I liked seeing Fred Davis out there today and liked what I saw. I do hope we win next, I think that will seal any talks of Zorn's job being in jeopardy (winning record for a rookie coach with a bad offense).

Offseason priorities: offensive line rebuilding and taking a look at the playcalling on offense.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Agreed. I liked seeing Fred Davis out there today and liked what I saw. I do hope we win next, I think that will seal any talks of Zorn's job being in jeopardy (winning record for a rookie coach with a bad offense).

Offseason priorities: offensive line rebuilding and taking a look at the playcalling on offense.

All good points. Building the o-line should be manageable in that we don't really need to "rebuild" anywhere else on the team. We got a early Christmas present in Hall, especially since he wants to be a Redskin. Taylor's openness about not expecting another huge payday could be a good omen too. I'm thinking 3 to 4 solid additions to the o-line - def starting center and RT - along w/ a playmaker at DT (probably where we want to spend some FA money) and another competitive LB, and we'll be in decent shape personnel wise. Zorn has his work cut out for him more than anything.

I sort of figured this thread would gravitate toward discussion of who's staying and who's going. Personally, I think we keep Marcus (and I really hope so) because we're gonna need the depth at LB and we're just a better d w/ him on the field. Griff is gone if we get a real playmaker at DT, otherwise I bet he sticks around. Jansen is a keeper mostly because of the contract implications and his possible move to the inside. Springs is gone IMHO. He isn't going to budge one inch on anything... it's obvious in his comments.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

All good points. Building the o-line should be manageable in that we don't really need to "rebuild" anywhere else on the team. We got a early Christmas present in Hall, especially since he wants to be a Redskin. Taylor's openness about not expecting another huge payday could be a good omen too. I'm thinking 3 to 4 solid additions to the o-line - def starting center and RT - along w/ a playmaker at DT (probably where we want to spend some FA money) and another competitive LB, and we'll be in decent shape personnel wise. Zorn has his work cut out for him more than anything.

I sort of figured this thread would gravitate toward discussion of who's staying and who's going. Personally, I think we keep Marcus (and I really hope so) because we're gonna need the depth at LB and we're just a better d w/ him on the field. Griff is gone if we get a real playmaker at DT, otherwise I bet he sticks around. Jansen is a keeper mostly because of the contract implications and his possible move to the inside. Springs is gone IMHO. He isn't going to budge one inch on anything... it's obvious in his comments.

Good points and I agree Goat. The adjustments in personel are attainable. I would like to see us close out the season with a win and some progression from our rookies in this last game. Hopefully we can build on that in the offseason. The "O" looks kinda sad right now but Davis and Thomas's play today were encouraging. I think Zorn is smart enough to realize a lot of work needs to be done and it would'nt surprise me for him to go to Holmgren for some advice. We're not the Lions. We've actually won some games against tough opponents. Our problem has been consistency. With a few additions and the offseason to work on the offense, I think we can get things rolling next year. I expect some adjustments on the staff also. It's hard to believe that Zorn is the only WCO guy on the staff. None of our problems are insurmountable.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Agreed. I liked seeing Fred Davis out there today and liked what I saw. I do hope we win next, I think that will seal any talks of Zorn's job being in jeopardy (winning record for a rookie coach with a bad offense).

Offseason priorities: offensive line rebuilding and taking a look at the playcalling on offense.

But doesn't Zorn run the bad offense.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Let's let the young WRs have at it next week and get a win vs. SF to end the season on a little bit of an upswing.

And Fred Davis as well, who Zorn called the most improved player on the offense according to Troy Aikman. I only saw part of the win over Philly - was Malcolm Kelly even active today?

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

And Fred Davis as well, who Zorn called the most improved player on the offense according to Troy Aikman. I only saw part of the win over Philly - was Malcolm Kelly even active today?

I'll say we just need to improve our offense, defense, and special teams, but other than that we are a Super Bowl team next year!

Seriously, I'm very interested to see Zorn's offense next year (yes I think he'll be back) and what happens with our D-Line.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

And Fred Davis as well, who Zorn called the most improved player on the offense according to Troy Aikman. I only saw part of the win over Philly - was Malcolm Kelly even active today?

Kelly wasn't active today.

[maroonandblack30]

If we finish 9-7 the season isn't a total loss but we need to make a legit stride next year. We have hovered around mediocre for the last 5 years.

I do think todays win saved Zorn's job for sure (if it was ever in jeopardy)

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

If we finish 9-7 the season isn't a total loss but we need to make a legit stride next year. We have hovered around mediocre for the last 5 years.

I do think todays win saved Zorn's job for sure (if it was ever in jeopardy)

Pretty much what I was thinking after the win.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

If we finish 9-7 the season isn't a total loss but we need to make a legit stride next year. We have hovered around mediocre for the last 5 years.

I do think todays win saved Zorn's job for sure (if it was ever in jeopardy)

I think you are correct, and if we do beat the 49ers, he is safe for sure. He needs to get his shit together though with his offensive scheme though for next year. We won yesterday because of our D causing a turnover in Philly territory. Young guns or not, Zorn has to mix it up a bit for '09.

[MrJL]

Offensive and Defensive Lines are major needs. Anything else is a bonus.

Where's it looking like we'll draft? Probably in the mid teens, I figure. Does strength of schedule figure in anywhere? And what about making the playoffs? Does an 8-8 division winner pick before or after a 9-7 team that misses the playoffs?

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by MrJL

Offensive and Defensive Lines are major needs. Anything else is a bonus.

Where's it looking like we'll draft? Probably in the mid teens, I figure. Does strength of schedule figure in anywhere? And what about making the playoffs? Does an 8-8 division winner pick before or after a 9-7 team that misses the playoffs?

I'm pretty positive that being in playoffs puts you behind everyone who didn't in the draft... other than that, I'd guess we'd be around 17-18 maybe if we win next week?