2009 needs

[markymark]

ok a lot has been said about the offense and defensive lines and how we need an upgrade. i would agree but we have a lot of problems on this team with few answers. our lines do need upgrade our lbs other then fletcher need to be upgraded and resigning hall would give us a nice secondary. also wrs need an upgrade. now i know we just spend 2 2nd round picks on wrs but if they don't pan out early maybe we could get someone before mid season. a true 2nd or preferably 1st is needed. i think rb is good te is good and qb is STILL a question. like i said this team has a lot of improvements to make. to help our lines out the signing of gross peppers and/ or haynesworth is needed. i'm not saying we can get all three but 2 out of 3 is reasonable. then because this draft class is deep for o-linemen we use most of our picks on them. now i'm sure we could find a cheap lb in fa that would be an upgrade over washington. thats my thoughts

[skinsfaninok]

Our biggest need this offseason again comes on the DE spot, the lack of pass rush every season in awful... Our d finished 4th in the league, just imagine if we had a 10sack season from anyone, much less taylor or carter. Also a true number 2 WR would really help, Cooley is a beast, Moss is a true Speedster, but ARE cant get it done as a Num 2.. Thomas or Kelly either one has to step up this offseason! And finally I want to see JC under Zorn's offense again next year, It is a HUGE year for Campbell in the last year of his contract.... If we don't atleast make the playoff's he is probably gone, and who know's Zorn may be out as well...

[PennSkinsFan]

Simple answer

Lines -- BOTH!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Simple answer

Lines -- BOTH!

Yes. Kicker too.

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

Simple answer

Lines -- BOTH!

i,ve spent alot of long sleepless nights thinking this over and all i keep coming up with is both lines need the most help then add a player here and there elsewhere a 6-5 230 wr would be great too..and no not plexico either. ..

[rypper11]

Two words: Aaron Curry.
Top 3 defenses are all in the championship game. This kid is the best complete LB I have ever seen. Trade up if needed.
Coach up the offense so they can have zero turnovers and score 3-4 field goals a game. Draft Curry, resign Hall, sign Haynesworth.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by markymark

ok a lot has been said about the offense and defensive lines and how we need an upgrade. i would agree but we have a lot of problems on this team with few answers. our lines do need upgrade our lbs other then fletcher need to be upgraded and resigning hall would give us a nice secondary. also wrs need an upgrade. now i know we just spend 2 2nd round picks on wrs but if they don't pan out early maybe we could get someone before mid season. a true 2nd or preferably 1st is needed. i think rb is good te is good and qb is STILL a question. like i said this team has a lot of improvements to make. to help our lines out the signing of gross peppers and/ or haynesworth is needed. i'm not saying we can get all three but 2 out of 3 is reasonable. then because this draft class is deep for o-linemen we use most of our picks on them. now i'm sure we could find a cheap lb in fa that would be an upgrade over washington. thats my thoughts

They drafted three recievers last year but none of them panned out. Like it or not they're stuck with what they have. We might get a lesser known guy in FA but I think that the draft picks we have are here for another year. ARE, Moss, and Thrash are the questions. Are you saying that we get rid of Moss in favor of a FA guy and some picks?

I'm not saying Vinny will not draft WR but the most pressing needs are out aging lines and deffense.

We only have four picks and we'll probably make some deals to get more. Look for one of our better players to get traded. If we don't pick up someone like an Alex Mack or a solid LB that will be there for years then I'm betting that Vinny will trade down.

Guys will be brought back on the cheap or they'll be cut. The only ones we will not get rid of are the ones that'll cost us an arm and a leg in dead cap. Some of these guys are not coming back regardless. I don't see them cutting everyone. If anything some of these guys should come back to add depth while the younger guys get the snaps. If they go down we've got a vet there for at least the end of the season.

After watching Filth-a-delphia beat NJG I'm not as worried about our team as I was. I was on the blow it up fence after this year but now I'm not so sure.

The two things that I can think of that can make a huge difference is a run stopping defensive player. I'd look to get a guy who can come in right away if possible. This stuck out to me after watching the Philly game. That and the fact that the O-line gave McNabb all day. This would've been helpfull this season with NJG, Pittsburgh, and Dallas. That's why I say Alex Mack or LB for the 13th pick.

I know everyone one is going to say that it takes years for a Center to get ready but we don't have years unless you want to move someone to play that position. I can see that but I wouldn't get rid of Raback outright.

[markymark]

i'm definitely not saying get rid of moss but he does need help. he needs someone else to take pressure off him on first and second down. cooley is great but again hes getting doubled up too. another legit wr would help us the most and allow ARE to move to the 3rd wr which would make him really dangerous. but you all are right lines have to be priority which we could build though the draft. our line is not as great as others but its also not that bad. if we could get guys to come in over the next 3 years we'd be fine. draft a guard and center this year that we could start if needed but dont need to start and help them develop. but what about the lb situation? any thoughts out there?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by markymark

i'm definitely not saying get rid of moss but he does need help. he needs someone else to take pressure off him on first and second down. cooley is great but again hes getting doubled up too. another legit wr would help us the most and allow ARE to move to the 3rd wr which would make him really dangerous. but you all are right lines have to be priority which we could build though the draft. our line is not as great as others but its also not that bad. if we could get guys to come in over the next 3 years we'd be fine. draft a guard and center this year that we could start if needed but dont need to start and help them develop. but what about the lb situation? any thoughts out there?

If getting rid of Moss means a pick or picks that are going to help us address the offensive line, I think it is worth it. What's the point to having a good receiver, if your QB doesn't have time to throw it nor does it have a good running game to set up the pass. We could have Randy Moss and our passing game still would suffer (sadly lots of fans - including yours truly and the FO did not think of this and brought in three receivers).

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If getting rid of Moss means a pick or picks that are going to help us address the offensive line, I think it is worth it. What's the point to having a good receiver, if your QB doesn't have time to throw it nor does it have a good running game to set up the pass. We could have Randy Moss and our passing game still would suffer (sadly lots of fans - including yours truly and the FO did not think of this and brought in three receivers).

I have thought about it and just can't see giving up Moss for a second rounder. I understand why people think so, but if he is made the second reciever, he can also become the full time punt returner. He could be a true game changer there. Packaging Randle El and Betts for a pick/trade could be a better option.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If getting rid of Moss means a pick or picks that are going to help us address the offensive line, I think it is worth it. What's the point to having a good receiver, if your QB doesn't have time to throw it nor does it have a good running game to set up the pass. We could have Randy Moss and our passing game still would suffer (sadly lots of fans - including yours truly and the FO did not think of this and brought in three receivers).

At this point we have an age issue along with depth at every position. The lines are old and failing, our defensive backfield is oft banged up, our wideouts unproductive. On top of that we might really need to consider drafting a QB in 2010 if JC is given the boot, a distinct possibility if we don't do anything next season. If we could get multiple picks for Moss I agree with you that we should do it, but I am not sure we will get too many offers for an undersized WR, that will warrant such a move. I don't see anyone giving us quality mutliple picks for a guy that might be past his prime. The acquisition of Jason Taylor was in hindsight a stupid move. We desperately needed those two picks.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

At this point we have an age issue along with depth at every position. The lines are old and failing, our defensive backfield is oft banged up, our wideouts unproductive. On top of that we might really need to consider drafting a QB in 2010 if JC is given the boot, a distinct possibility if we don't do anything next season. If we could get multiple picks for Moss I agree with you that we should do it, but I am not sure we will get too many offers for an undersized WR, that will warrant such a move. I don't see anyone giving us quality mutliple picks for a guy that might be past his prime. The acquisition of Jason Taylor was in hindsight a stupid move. We desperately needed those two picks.

Honestly, even if we get a 2nd round pick for Moss, we could trade down our first round pick to a lower 1st round and a 3rd or 4th round pick. This would give us more picks to bring in youth to the team.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Honestly, even if we get a 2nd round pick for Moss, we could trade down our first round pick to a lower 1st round and a 3rd or 4th round pick. This would give us more picks to bring in youth to the team.

That makes some good logical sense.

Don't sign Texaco Genius. The only thing he's caught lately is a bullet in the thigh.

[markymark]

so then we have a young o line that is going to have growing pains and no one to throw to... sounds like what the raiders are going though right now

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by markymark

so then we have a young o line that is going to have growing pains and no one to throw to... sounds like what the raiders are going though right now

Thats what happens when you have to rebuilt the entire Lien at one time, instead of replacing through drafting over time. The Redskins have missed that point, both at the OLine and at DEs.