Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition

Ruhskins · 02-27-2009, 11:18 PM

Since all of the draft threads have probably gotten wayyyy too long by now, and given the acquisitions that the team made in free agency (AH, Hall, Dock, possibly another o-lineman, etc., etc.) I wanted to start this thread to discuss what the Redskins should get with their #13 and the other three picks come April. I am sure that any ideas or opinions you had about this may have change given our acquisitions.

I, for once, am a bit unsure of what the team should go for. Some people have mention that we can afford to go after the best player available. Others have said that we now may have the luxury of drafting what we want and not what we need. Part of me wants to continue to address the offensive line, and get the best tackle available, and part of me thinks that we need to replace Marcus Washington and eventually we'll need to replace Jason Taylor.

horny4zorny-nohomo · 02-27-2009, 11:24 PM

we need a linebacker..

The Goat · 02-27-2009, 11:30 PM

Good thread idea Ruh.

I think we still go OT IF our scouting indicates the available prospect(s), Oher and/or A. Smith probably, can successfully become a LT, not immediately but as Samuels transitions to RT (my own prediction). If the verdict is different for who's available and Rey Maluauga is available then it's a no-brainer IMO. Rey is the hardest hitter in the draft and plays a position we're already thin at. As GTripp has said if Fletcher gets nicked up for any period of time our defense will really suffer. Bottom line is Rey could play SLB as long as London is our QB on D and then transition to the middle... anyway i just don't think we can afford to pass on him cuz he's very special and top defenses need a monster MLB.

Our 2nd pick should be OL if we take LB @ 13 and vice versa...

5th round will be a tough call if Sidbury is there and a nice RB prospect is still available.

Last pick... punter LOL.

nyredskinsfan · 03-06-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Good thread idea Ruh.

I think we still go OT IF our scouting indicates the available prospect(s), Oher and/or A. Smith probably, can successfully become a LT, not immediately but as Samuels transitions to RT (my own prediction). If the verdict is different for who's available and Rey Maluauga is available then it's a no-brainer IMO. Rey is the hardest hitter in the draft and plays a position we're already thin at. As GTripp has said if Fletcher gets nicked up for any period of time our defense will really suffer. Bottom line is Rey could play SLB as long as London is our QB on D and then transition to the middle... anyway i just don't think we can afford to pass on him cuz he's very special and top defenses need a monster MLB.

Our 2nd pick should be OL if we take LB @ 13 and vice versa...

5th round will be a tough call if Sidbury is there and a nice RB prospect is still available.

Last pick... punter LOL.

As soon as the defenses realized the Skins couldn't pass block for any longer than short yardage plays it was Blitz City. Forever 3 and outs wore down our D so we ended up 8 an 8. Need to prop up the OL.

ibleedburgandy · 03-07-2009, 04:01 PM

Although this is my first post i'm a follower of the skins since birth and pay attention to the small stuff. Since Jansen costs too much to let go I say stay with the line we have now and let Jansen and Heyer battle it out again.

Try a trade with NE that would swap our 13th pick with their 23rd, and then one of their 2nd rd picks...since they have two (34 and 47). Draft the best available LB or DE in the 1st, best available interior o-lineman in the 2nd (better value for interior than tackle in the 2nd), and the best available LB or DE in the 3rd since both positions are deep in the draft. The last two picks use on a LB or FB for depth on special teams!

Hail!

That Guy · 03-07-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ibleedburgandy

Although this is my first post i'm a follower of the skins since birth and pay attention to the small stuff. Since Jansen costs too much to let go I say stay with the line we have now and let Jansen and Heyer battle it out again.

Try a trade with NE that would swap our 13th pick with their 23rd, and then one of their 2nd rd picks...since they have two (34 and 47). Draft the best available LB or DE in the 1st, best available interior o-lineman in the 2nd (better value for interior than tackle in the 2nd), and the best available LB or DE in the 3rd since both positions are deep in the draft. The last two picks use on a LB or FB for depth on special teams!

Hail!

NE has never traded up, so i don't see that happening.

welcome though, and good first post

.

ibleedburgandy · 03-07-2009, 07:28 PM

They never have because they've always picked 25 or higher over the past decade and it's to costly to move up. it's also worth mentioning that there weren't many years they had two second round picks at their disposal with this many needs. this year they need youth at OT's and many different defensive positions. The first 15 picks will be loaded with OT's, DE's & LB's. Look at the trade they just completed with Cassel...wasn't their brightest moment! I say pursue it cause there isn't another team that has multiple 2nd rd picks that draft after us in the 1st, and with the depth of this years draft I don't see any team giving up a 2nd rd pick if they only have one. It would mean loosing out on two potential starters for one high priced draft pick. We'll see, but we can always dream! It's good to be here...expect to hear alot from me over the coming months!

Dirtbag59 · 02-27-2009, 11:47 PM

I honestly think that right now the plan seems to be trade down. Take the best linebacker available in which case they take Maluga if he falls down to them, James Laurinaitis, or Brian Chushing and then take one of the second tier tackles should they get a second round pick. Guys like Phil Loadholt, Jamon Meredith, and Steven Beatty come to mind. I also think it's possible that they might have a deal where their trade down looks something like this

Redskins get
low to mid first round pick
low to mid second round Pick
trading teams fourth round pick

Trade Partner gets
Redskins 1st round pick
Redskins 3rd round pick

Sort of like how we ended up giving the Falcons our third round pick on top of our first.

Anyone have ideas on possible trade partners?

SC Skins Fan · 02-28-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I honestly think that right now the plan seems to be trade down. Take the best linebacker available in which case they take Maluga if he falls down to them, James Laurinaitis, or Brian Chushing and then take one of the second tier tackles should they get a second round pick. Guys like Phil Loadholt, Jamon Meredith, and Steven Beatty come to mind. I also think it's possible that they might have a deal where their trade down looks something like this

Redskins get
low to mid first round pick
low to mid second round Pick
trading teams fourth round pick

Trade Partner gets
Redskins 1st round pick
Redskins 3rd round pick

Sort of like how we ended up giving the Falcons our third round pick on top of our first.

Anyone have ideas on possible trade partners?

Going off the value chart it is kind of tricky to make your scenario work, just because the value of the 2nd's of the teams picking the in 20's does not give them enough value (by the chart) to move up to 13 and get that 3rd. The two perfect partners for the Skins are the Patriots (which will never happen) who have picks 23/47 and the Dolphins 25/44 (Redskins pick). If you add those picks then you are basically looking at enough value to move up to 13 and get a 5th back (but not the third). Basically any team in the 20's would have to give both their first and second to move up to 13, but the Skins would not have to include a 3rd. I just don't know if a team would see tremendous value in doing that. Depends on who falls to 13 I guess.

Dirtbag59 · 02-28-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Going off the value chart it is kind of tricky to make your scenario work, just because the value of the 2nd's of the teams picking the in 20's does not give them enough value (by the chart) to move up to 13 and get that 3rd. The two perfect partners for the Skins are the Patriots (which will never happen) who have picks 23/47 and the Dolphins 25/44 (Redskins pick). If you add those picks then you are basically looking at enough value to move up to 13 and get a 5th back (but not the third). Basically any team in the 20's would have to give both their first and second to move up to 13, but the Skins would not have to include a 3rd. I just don't know if a team would see tremendous value in doing that. Depends on who falls to 13 I guess.

Sorry I was just using the Falcons trade last year as a templete, but keep in mind teams have thrown the draft chart out the window and given up huge amounts of draft pick value to insure that they get their guy. Brady Quinn I think is the quintessential example.

NM Redskin · 02-28-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Brady Quinn I think is the quintessential example.

That is what I'm hoping for, for Sanchez. I think if he falls to 13, it might be real easy to trade that pick for good value.

That Guy · 02-28-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

That is what I'm hoping for, for Sanchez. I think if he falls to 13, it might be real easy to trade that pick for good value.

i dont think we need him, but he'd probably be an upgrade over campbell in only a year or two. crabtree would REALLY help the O, but he won't be anywhere close to our pick, we have a lot in WRs already (none of his class though), etc etc. he has the same type of potential as Calvin J or randy moss though, to be prolific. too bad we can't trade our WRs from last year for him :P

campbell, a good WR, and our D should be enough to win with though.

KI Skins Fan · 02-28-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Anyone have ideas on possible trade partners?

The Lions have two picks in the 1st Round, #'s 1 and 20. If there is a player available at #13 that they feel they must have, then we could trade #13 for #20, the 1st pick in Round 3 (#65), and possibly the 1st pick in Round 6. That might be a nice deal for us.

MeanEvilSkin · 02-28-2009, 10:15 AM

I've been on record asking for line help. Now that we got AH and Dockery, I'm leaning towards a different direction with the 13 pick. If Rey is there, we should take him. He has the SOLID potential, make that likelihood, that he's going to be a special player. The team has the advantage now of being able to take a special player like Rey as opposed to what had been a more immediate need like OL.

Rey, in his own way, could turn into a Merriman type pick for us. He's a dominant player. Five years from now, look back and compare him to the other players we've considered at this spot. That's the choice.

That Guy · 02-27-2009, 11:50 PM

well, it'd be OL, DE, or LB.

I really like everything i've seen from orakpo, but there's a lot of OL talent and some LBs too.

if we get a 2nd or high 3rd for golston, that and our other 3rd should be used on OL and the top pick on orakpo or cushing/rey or OT IF someone fell... or trade down if possible.

02-27-2009, 11:30 PM	#3
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Good thread idea Ruh. I think we still go OT IF our scouting indicates the available prospect(s), Oher and/or A. Smith probably, can successfully become a LT, not immediately but as Samuels transitions to RT (my own prediction). If the verdict is different for who's available and Rey Maluauga is available then it's a no-brainer IMO. Rey is the hardest hitter in the draft and plays a position we're already thin at. As GTripp has said if Fletcher gets nicked up for any period of time our defense will really suffer. Bottom line is Rey could play SLB as long as London is our QB on D and then transition to the middle... anyway i just don't think we can afford to pass on him cuz he's very special and top defenses need a monster MLB. Our 2nd pick should be OL if we take LB @ 13 and vice versa... 5th round will be a tough call if Sidbury is there and a nice RB prospect is still available. Last pick... punter LOL. __________________ 24-34

03-07-2009, 04:01 PM	#5
ibleedburgandy Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 17	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Although this is my first post i'm a follower of the skins since birth and pay attention to the small stuff. Since Jansen costs too much to let go I say stay with the line we have now and let Jansen and Heyer battle it out again. Try a trade with NE that would swap our 13th pick with their 23rd, and then one of their 2nd rd picks...since they have two (34 and 47). Draft the best available LB or DE in the 1st, best available interior o-lineman in the 2nd (better value for interior than tackle in the 2nd), and the best available LB or DE in the 3rd since both positions are deep in the draft. The last two picks use on a LB or FB for depth on special teams! Hail!

03-07-2009, 07:28 PM	#7
ibleedburgandy Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 17	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition They never have because they've always picked 25 or higher over the past decade and it's to costly to move up. it's also worth mentioning that there weren't many years they had two second round picks at their disposal with this many needs. this year they need youth at OT's and many different defensive positions. The first 15 picks will be loaded with OT's, DE's & LB's. Look at the trade they just completed with Cassel...wasn't their brightest moment! I say pursue it cause there isn't another team that has multiple 2nd rd picks that draft after us in the 1st, and with the depth of this years draft I don't see any team giving up a 2nd rd pick if they only have one. It would mean loosing out on two potential starters for one high priced draft pick. We'll see, but we can always dream! It's good to be here...expect to hear alot from me over the coming months! __________________ Nukes...if that don't kill it then god don't want it dead!

02-27-2009, 11:47 PM	#8
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition I honestly think that right now the plan seems to be trade down. Take the best linebacker available in which case they take Maluga if he falls down to them, James Laurinaitis, or Brian Chushing and then take one of the second tier tackles should they get a second round pick. Guys like Phil Loadholt, Jamon Meredith, and Steven Beatty come to mind. I also think it's possible that they might have a deal where their trade down looks something like this Redskins get low to mid first round pick low to mid second round Pick trading teams fourth round pick Trade Partner gets Redskins 1st round pick Redskins 3rd round pick Sort of like how we ended up giving the Falcons our third round pick on top of our first. Anyone have ideas on possible trade partners? __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

02-28-2009, 10:15 AM	#14
MeanEvilSkin Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 59	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition I've been on record asking for line help. Now that we got AH and Dockery, I'm leaning towards a different direction with the 13 pick. If Rey is there, we should take him. He has the SOLID potential, make that likelihood, that he's going to be a special player. The team has the advantage now of being able to take a special player like Rey as opposed to what had been a more immediate need like OL. Rey, in his own way, could turn into a Merriman type pick for us. He's a dominant player. Five years from now, look back and compare him to the other players we've considered at this spot. That's the choice. __________________ Build this team through the draft, please! Starting with both lines. A dynasty is not a bad thing to shoot for!

02-27-2009, 11:18 PM	#1
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition Since all of the draft threads have probably gotten wayyyy too long by now, and given the acquisitions that the team made in free agency (AH, Hall, Dock, possibly another o-lineman, etc., etc.) I wanted to start this thread to discuss what the Redskins should get with their #13 and the other three picks come April. I am sure that any ideas or opinions you had about this may have change given our acquisitions. I, for once, am a bit unsure of what the team should go for. Some people have mention that we can afford to go after the best player available. Others have said that we now may have the luxury of drafting what we want and not what we need. Part of me wants to continue to address the offensive line, and get the best tackle available, and part of me thinks that we need to replace Marcus Washington and eventually we'll need to replace Jason Taylor. __________________ R.I.P. #21

02-27-2009, 11:24 PM	#2
horny4zorny-nohomo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 36	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition we need a linebacker.. __________________ The Redskin 4n

02-27-2009, 11:50 PM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Draft Thoughts - The Post-Haynesworth Edition well, it'd be OL, DE, or LB. I really like everything i've seen from orakpo, but there's a lot of OL talent and some LBs too. if we get a 2nd or high 3rd for golston, that and our other 3rd should be used on OL and the top pick on orakpo or cushing/rey or OT IF someone fell... or trade down if possible.

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