criticism of Brunell

MTK · 09-30-2004, 12:03 PM

Gibbs seems to be pretty annoyed at the media bashing Brunell a bit this week. I was just wondering what you guys thought of all this. Wilbon of the Post and Daly of the Times both ripped Brunell pretty good on Tuesday morning and personally I was kinda surprised considering the numbers he put up, 25/43 for 325 yards, 2 TD's and no INT's.

Granted he got off to a very slow start, but I thought he finished up very strong and made some great plays along the way. He also seems to be getting comfortable in the offense and getting some rapport going with his receivers.

Personally I thought the criticism was a little sharp and not justified. Yeah he made some poor throws in the first half, but once he got going I thought he proved he can still be a playmaker in this league. And I definitely don't agree with people saying he has a weak arm, he zipped a few passes and showed he can still make the tight throw when he has to.

I saw a QB settling into the offense and making plays, guys like Wilbon and Daly think he's washed up, I still don't get it, maybe I'm missing something, what do you guys think??

Gmanc711 · 09-30-2004, 12:19 PM

I'm with you Matty. Especially being a huge Ramsey fan, I can find no critisims of Brunell for his play on monday. Dispite the fact that we got off to a slow start, we still should have had a couple drives go further, but COles dropped the passes. Brunell was dynamite in the second half. That play that he threw the TD to gardner where he juked out that Dlinemen was classic.

SmootSmack · 09-30-2004, 12:23 PM

Those numbers would have looked better if not for the dropped passes. Also, and I might be wrong about this, but I think some of those early deep passes were to soften the defense underneath. And it even seemed like a couple of times the deep throws were just to try to get a pass interference call.

And after the questionable Portis catch when Brunell hurried everybody back to the line to get the next play off before a challenge could be made-that's the type of key play that can't be measured by stats

Anyway, I don't think he's washed up by any means

JWsleep · 09-30-2004, 12:41 PM

I completely agree, Matty (I was thinking of starting this sort of thread). First, what's with all the hate in the press? They really seem to have it in for Brunnel! All the local papers seem to be in agreement. What, did they have a media huddle and decide they needed a QB problem to sell papers?

He threw well on the run, he didn't have an INT, he had two TDs, and lots of yards. He threw the out well, I thought. The first one that Coles droped he zipped out there and hit him in the chest. The running throw to Cooley was very nice. And even the papers had to admit his TD to Gardner was pure old-school Brunell. Finally, as Gibbs had to point out to the reporters in his press conference yesterday, lots of his "bad" throws out of bounds were just that: he was throwing it away. They practiced all week to avoid turnovers (they had none), and Brunell is criticized for firing the ball out of bounds. Look, if Gardner gets out of bounds (or if they call the helmet-to-helmet), they tie the game. And then who knows. If they won it Brunell, with Gardner, are the big heros. So I don't get the "he's lost it" chorus.

I'm not saying he's Theisman, Mark II, but he can make the thows this offense needs. And we shouldn't overlook his leadership qualities. I think the players respect him and follow him. He got up after five sacks and some tough hits, and almost pulled it out after a tough first half, and some brutally bad calls. Ok, we need some Ws to make it all mean something, but the team did not quit, and the QB was a big part of that.

skins009 · 09-30-2004, 12:42 PM

I think in the second half Brunnel finally started to get some rythme. He def. mad. some good decisions on monday night simply throwing the ball away. That doesn't always look pretty, but its a vetern thing to do and is better than throwing a pick. I still believe that Brunnel is nothing more that a buffer, untill patrick is ready. Which to me is gonna be in about a year. If were gonna be a super bowl team i believe its gonna be with Ramsey.

offiss · 09-30-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skins009

I think in the second half Brunnel finally started to get some rythme. He def. mad. some good decisions on monday night simply throwing the ball away. That doesn't always look pretty, but its a vetern thing to do and is better than throwing a pick. I still believe that Brunnel is nothing more that a buffer, untill patrick is ready. Which to me is gonna be in about a year. If were gonna be a super bowl team i believe its gonna be with Ramsey.

I agree, if Brunell want's to prove his worth he has to become more consistant, is it him, or is it the fact that he's still learning, and getting comfortable in this new system? We have to see improvement every week, if defenses start respecting our passing game, that should open up the run game for Portis, we haven't scared anyone with our passing game until the 4th quarter of monday night's game. I do think Brunnell under the right circumstances can win a SB with Gibb's, let's face it, if William's, and Rypien, can do it, so can Brunell, but I believe Ramsey is the guy who will really shine in the end.

Redskins_P · 09-30-2004, 01:00 PM

I agree with all of you guys........just imagine if we would've won that game. I bet everyone would be praising Brunell.

Gmanc711 · 09-30-2004, 01:01 PM

Somtimes I just dont understand where this stuff ( from the media ) gets started. I mean its absolutley ludacris to critizie him like they have, after watching the game on Monday. Somtimes I wonder if they even watched the game. In that second half he looked friggin awsome. He proboly played better than most of the QB's in the league this week, with exceptions of course. Seriously though, his first half performance wasent that bad, and the second half he just tore it up. I just dont get it...

SmootSmack · 09-30-2004, 01:03 PM

In the past haven't people on this site said that Brunell is washed up? I wonder if Monday has changed their minds

That Guy · 09-30-2004, 01:20 PM

i only said i hadn't seen him throw a deep pass and hit a receiver and i needed to see that before i was comfortable. With those numbers i have absolutely no arguement for ramsey right now

we can win with brunell and he'll be there unless he's not able.

I think the negative media stuff is because those papers go to print around 10-11 or so, and it was a late game... usually they write all sorts of articles (skins win, dallas wins, etc)... and its all completely based off the first half, with 1-2 sentences on the end of the game and the score updated within 5 minutes of it being published... I think that's what this was... they saw the first half and had 15 minutes to write an article. At least, that's what i'm hoping...

backrow · 10-01-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i only said i hadn't seen him throw a deep pass and hit a receiver and i needed to see that before i was comfortable...

After seeing the deep throw, I still think Brunell doesn't unload fast enough!

You put Brunell's head on Ram, and you might have something! HOF Coach Gibbs sees something in Brunell that I don't! But, that's why he is in the HOF, and, well.....I'm....uhhh.....just.... looking... to get my ........ummmm...........wheelchair..... uhh..... down the hall!

We pay value for effort, and I haven't seen it! Others have better arms, Brunell has a head for the game, certainly, but not the arm!

RedskinRat · 09-30-2004, 01:45 PM

On the last pass to Gardner Williams hit him with a helmet-to-helmet shot. Didn't get called. If it had we'd have tied the game and probably won.

Point being that Brunell didn't do much wrong, the WR's and line didn't play up to his level.

Claimer · 10-03-2004, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Point being that Brunell didn't do much wrong, the WR's and line didn't play up to his level.

I love Lavernaeus but he did miss 6 straight catches that you don't normally see him drop.You can't put that on Brunell,there were other key drops as well and Coles does have a finger injury.I'm tired of the bashing of Gibbs for his "poor time management" if my memory serves me 2 T.O s were due to players out of position and 1 was a questionable challenge that I GAURANTEE someone whispered sweet nothings into Joe's ear telling him it was a worthy challenge(although I cringed when it happened). Nobody(media)except Total Access brought up the Pass interference call that went against us or the one that wasn't called.We'll be back for Tuna Casserole before the season ends....
HAIL Claimer

That Guy · 09-30-2004, 03:03 PM

right, but until his final 8 passes he only had 175 yards... last 8 passes had 6 completions and 150 yards, so if the articles were written before that point, it'd help explain why they were so damn harsh.

we had 4 bad bad calls, dallas had 1 (the portis crawl)... terrible officiating.

offiss · 09-30-2004, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

right, but until his final 8 passes he only had 175 yards... last 8 passes had 6 completions and 150 yards, so if the articles were written before that point, it'd help explain why they were so damn harsh.

we had 4 bad bad calls, dallas had 1 (the portis crawl)... terrible officiating.

That call could have been challenged by dallas, so really it wasen't nearly as bad as the call's that went against us, the ref's tied our hand's behind our back's, we had no opportunity to challenge, as well, the significance of the call's are night and day.

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09-30-2004, 12:03 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	criticism of Brunell Gibbs seems to be pretty annoyed at the media bashing Brunell a bit this week. I was just wondering what you guys thought of all this. Wilbon of the Post and Daly of the Times both ripped Brunell pretty good on Tuesday morning and personally I was kinda surprised considering the numbers he put up, 25/43 for 325 yards, 2 TD's and no INT's. Granted he got off to a very slow start, but I thought he finished up very strong and made some great plays along the way. He also seems to be getting comfortable in the offense and getting some rapport going with his receivers. Personally I thought the criticism was a little sharp and not justified. Yeah he made some poor throws in the first half, but once he got going I thought he proved he can still be a playmaker in this league. And I definitely don't agree with people saying he has a weak arm, he zipped a few passes and showed he can still make the tight throw when he has to. I saw a QB settling into the offense and making plays, guys like Wilbon and Daly think he's washed up, I still don't get it, maybe I'm missing something, what do you guys think??

09-30-2004, 12:23 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Those numbers would have looked better if not for the dropped passes. Also, and I might be wrong about this, but I think some of those early deep passes were to soften the defense underneath. And it even seemed like a couple of times the deep throws were just to try to get a pass interference call. And after the questionable Portis catch when Brunell hurried everybody back to the line to get the next play off before a challenge could be made-that's the type of key play that can't be measured by stats Anyway, I don't think he's washed up by any means __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-30-2004, 12:41 PM	#4
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	I completely agree, Matty (I was thinking of starting this sort of thread). First, what's with all the hate in the press? They really seem to have it in for Brunnel! All the local papers seem to be in agreement. What, did they have a media huddle and decide they needed a QB problem to sell papers? He threw well on the run, he didn't have an INT, he had two TDs, and lots of yards. He threw the out well, I thought. The first one that Coles droped he zipped out there and hit him in the chest. The running throw to Cooley was very nice. And even the papers had to admit his TD to Gardner was pure old-school Brunell. Finally, as Gibbs had to point out to the reporters in his press conference yesterday, lots of his "bad" throws out of bounds were just that: he was throwing it away. They practiced all week to avoid turnovers (they had none), and Brunell is criticized for firing the ball out of bounds. Look, if Gardner gets out of bounds (or if they call the helmet-to-helmet), they tie the game. And then who knows. If they won it Brunell, with Gardner, are the big heros. So I don't get the "he's lost it" chorus. I'm not saying he's Theisman, Mark II, but he can make the thows this offense needs. And we shouldn't overlook his leadership qualities. I think the players respect him and follow him. He got up after five sacks and some tough hits, and almost pulled it out after a tough first half, and some brutally bad calls. Ok, we need some Ws to make it all mean something, but the team did not quit, and the QB was a big part of that. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-30-2004, 01:03 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	In the past haven't people on this site said that Brunell is washed up? I wonder if Monday has changed their minds __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-30-2004, 12:19 PM	#2
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I'm with you Matty. Especially being a huge Ramsey fan, I can find no critisims of Brunell for his play on monday. Dispite the fact that we got off to a slow start, we still should have had a couple drives go further, but COles dropped the passes. Brunell was dynamite in the second half. That play that he threw the TD to gardner where he juked out that Dlinemen was classic.

09-30-2004, 12:42 PM	#5
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	I think in the second half Brunnel finally started to get some rythme. He def. mad. some good decisions on monday night simply throwing the ball away. That doesn't always look pretty, but its a vetern thing to do and is better than throwing a pick. I still believe that Brunnel is nothing more that a buffer, untill patrick is ready. Which to me is gonna be in about a year. If were gonna be a super bowl team i believe its gonna be with Ramsey.

09-30-2004, 01:00 PM	#7
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	I agree with all of you guys........just imagine if we would've won that game. I bet everyone would be praising Brunell.

09-30-2004, 01:01 PM	#8
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Somtimes I just dont understand where this stuff ( from the media ) gets started. I mean its absolutley ludacris to critizie him like they have, after watching the game on Monday. Somtimes I wonder if they even watched the game. In that second half he looked friggin awsome. He proboly played better than most of the QB's in the league this week, with exceptions of course. Seriously though, his first half performance wasent that bad, and the second half he just tore it up. I just dont get it...

09-30-2004, 01:20 PM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	i only said i hadn't seen him throw a deep pass and hit a receiver and i needed to see that before i was comfortable. With those numbers i have absolutely no arguement for ramsey right now we can win with brunell and he'll be there unless he's not able. I think the negative media stuff is because those papers go to print around 10-11 or so, and it was a late game... usually they write all sorts of articles (skins win, dallas wins, etc)... and its all completely based off the first half, with 1-2 sentences on the end of the game and the score updated within 5 minutes of it being published... I think that's what this was... they saw the first half and had 15 minutes to write an article. At least, that's what i'm hoping...

09-30-2004, 01:45 PM	#12
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	On the last pass to Gardner Williams hit him with a helmet-to-helmet shot. Didn't get called. If it had we'd have tied the game and probably won. Point being that Brunell didn't do much wrong, the WR's and line didn't play up to his level.

09-30-2004, 03:03 PM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	right, but until his final 8 passes he only had 175 yards... last 8 passes had 6 completions and 150 yards, so if the articles were written before that point, it'd help explain why they were so damn harsh. we had 4 bad bad calls, dallas had 1 (the portis crawl)... terrible officiating.

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