I love this board in the off season.....but

[DFI]

Man oh man here it is week one and let the drama begin. Zorn sucks, campbell sucks, vinnie sucks, snyder sucks......the #*$*$%((($$$$@@@ season is over....

a few weeks ago, many were commenting that against our division teams we should hope to split and be 3-3 in those games. that seems like a reasonable thought and i realize we are still on track to do that

I hate to loose as much as anyone. but seriously,, is cutting/trading everyone and bringing in new coaching in mid season gonna fix everything? I can't imagine

[Daseal]

TWP is typically a place for extremes. The Redskins apologists never look critically enough. The haters are always too critical. It's par for the course and for any message board.

In my opinion. We have some relatively serious problems, these problems are:
O-line.
Predictable and overall weak playcalling.
Tackling, especially in the secondary.
Pass rush. I still feel like Orakpo at SLB is an absolute waste of talent. Let him pin his ears back.

It's not the end of the world, but the team I saw out there is a 3rd-4th place finisher in the division and home once again in January. It's not too late to fix problems, but as of now -- that's what I see.

Without playoffs this year, I expect Zorn gone.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Daseal

TWP is typically a place for extremes. The Redskins apologists never look critically enough. The haters are always too critical. It's par for the course and for any message board.

In my opinion. We have some relatively serious problems, these problems are:
O-line.
Predictable and overall weak playcalling.
Tackling, especially in the secondary.
Pass rush. I still feel like Orakpo at SLB is an absolute waste of talent. Let him pin his ears back.

A slow rb makes any o-line look bad. JC had plenty of time to throw. the worst part of the game was letting those short passes turn into big plays.

[Lotus]

Given that we lost by six points on the road to our toughest divisional opponent, the season is over. There is no hope.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Without playoffs this year, I expect Zorn gone.

I hate to say I agree, because I would love to have some continuity, but this might be the best thing. I get the bad feeling watching this team that Zorn is in way over his head. I guess no one should be surprised, the surprise was him going from QB coach straight to Head coach. He is a good guy, but IMO he looks lost and confused with the playcalling.

And yeah....the drama is always in strong supply around here, it keeps things interesting.

[SFREDSKIN]

Personally I still root for Zorn, but if he screws up this season I would like to see Dungy as the coach instead of Shanahan, Holmgren or Gruden. Shanahan won because of Elway, what happened when Elway retired?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by roth74va

I hate to say I agree, because I would love to have some continuity, but this might be the best thing. I get the bad feeling watching this team that Zorn is in way over his head. I guess no one should be surprised, the surprise was him going from QB coach straight to Head coach. He is a good guy, but IMO he looks lost and confused with the playcalling.

And yeah....the drama is always in strong supply around here, it keeps things interesting.

This maybe true but Dan Synder did a extensive search and realized he already head his man. It turned out to be his new OC. Synder better not even think to fire Zorn after only 2 season unless we win less than 7 games. No one to blame if your the Owner cause you hired him which makes you look like the village idiot.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

This maybe true but Dan Synder did a extensive search and realized he already head his man. It turned out to be his new OC. Synder better not even think to fire Zorn after only 2 season unless we win less than 7 games. No one to blame if your the Owner cause you hired him which makes you look like the village idiot.

That's not how I see it at all. Dan didn't realize he already had his man. No one these days promotes a quarterback's coach to head coach. Zorn got the job by default. No one else picked up the phone, not even Rocky or Bullwinkle. If Snyder fires Zorn, Snyder will be the coach. There will no one left.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by DFI

Man oh man here it is week one and let the drama begin. Zorn sucks, campbell sucks, vinnie sucks, snyder sucks......the #*$*$%((($$$$@@@ season is over....

a few weeks ago, many were commenting that against our division teams we should hope to split and be 3-3 in those games. that seems like a reasonable thought and i realize we are still on track to do that

I hate to loose as much as anyone. but seriously,, is cutting/trading everyone and bringing in new coaching in mid season gonna fix everything? I can't imagine

No it isn't, but it does allow us to blow off steam. We spend money to go see these assholes lose football games. We invest time watching the draft, going on-line and reading articles, and sitting in front of the television. We sit in traffic for hours while they give interviews about how bad they suck. We also have to eat humble pie at work. I'm surrounded by New York and Dallas fans. So eff these over paid babies.

After all is said and done, if the only thing I can complain about is a loser football squad, then life ain't bad.

[SFREDSKIN]

When a team blows 160+ million on 3 FA (Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery) you would expect better performance.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When a team blows 160+ million on 3 FA (Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery) you would expect better performance.

If we win, will it be considered "blowing"?

Blowing money is what the Giants just did for Eli Manning.

Haynesworth will be worth it. Value-wise, we'll get the better deal.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When a team blows 160+ million on 3 FA (Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery) you would expect better performance.

I think you're focusing too much on the players and the FO and not the coaches. I find them all three parties (players, FO, and the coaches) equally at fault.

But at the same time you are being unrealistically to expect this team to have a good game every single time.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When a team blows 160+ million on 3 FA (Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery) you would expect better performance.

Can't blame the players for taking the money. You would too.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can't blame the players for taking the money. You would too.

Correct, but assuming that certain players will play up to whatever contract you give them is 1950's logic and has no place in modern sports.

[DFI]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No it isn't, but it does allow us to blow off steam. We spend money to go see these assholes lose football games. We invest time watching the draft, going on-line and reading articles, and sitting in front of the television. We sit in traffic for hours while they give interviews about how bad they suck. We also have to eat humble pie at work. I'm surrounded by New York and Dallas fans. So eff these over paid babies.

After all is said and done, if the only thing I can complain about is a loser football squad, then life ain't bad.

I guess thats true but I gotta ask. if they are aholes and babies and you hate the whole experience why not pick another team??????

don't make much sense to me