Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House

Hog1 · 10-07-2009, 05:36 PM

McCrystal basically says get off your ass's or we'll have another Vietnam.
White House angry at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan - Telegraph

saden1 · 10-07-2009, 05:46 PM

We'll have? I think we have pass the point of "have" long ago and are in the midst of Vietnam minus the body count. Good luck "winning" this quagmire.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-07-2009, 05:46 PM

I agree with the general's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan, I support a "surge," and I think the Administration should determine the new war plans, but the general should not run his mouth in public. He should report his recommendations in private and shouldn't spend his time talking to think tanks, analysts, and politicos.

saden1 · 10-07-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I agree with the general's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan, I support a "surge," and I think the Administration should determine the new war plans, but the general should not run his mouth in public. He should report his recommendations in private and shouldn't spend his time talking to think tanks, analysts, and politicos.

When All-Universe Gen. MacArthur publicly disagreed and lamented President Truman's policies he was dismissed. If McChrystal opens his mouth again he should be fired promptly.

70Chip · 10-07-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

When All-Universe Gen. MacArthur publicly disagreed and lamented President Truman's policies he was dismissed. If McChrystal opens his mouth again he should be fired promptly.

On the other hand, if Obama doesn't give McChrytsal what he needs, McChrystal should resign. He can't in good conscience carry out a policy he believes to be inadequate. Maybe Rahm Emmanuel should commission a poll on that scenario.

saden1 · 10-07-2009, 08:05 PM

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On the other hand, if Obama doesn't give McChrytsal what he needs, McChrystal should resign. He can't in good conscience carry out a policy he believes to be inadequate. Maybe Rahm Emmanuel should commission a poll on that scenario.

This war is bigger than McChrystal. There are other advisors and generals besides him and their input is just as valuable. He can disagree with president's policy and quit. Honestly though I'm not entirly convinced he isn't replaceable just like his predecessor and Petraeus in Iraq. I would guess it's probably best for McChrystal's career to put as much distance between himself and Afghanistan as soon as possible.

firstdown · 10-08-2009, 10:47 AM

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This war is bigger than McChrystal. There are other advisors and generals besides him and their input is just as valuable. He can disagree with president's policy and quit. Honestly though I'm not entirly convinced he isn't replaceable just like his predecessor and Petraeus in Iraq. I would guess it's probably best for McChrystal's career to put as much distance between himself and Afghanistan as soon as possible.

Well was it not Obama who said he was going to fight the real war in Afg. and now when he has his man saying we need more troops he drags his feet. I'm also sure McChrystal makes his decisions based off what his advisors and generals tell him is needed. If I was McChrystal I'd be pissed if my leader had me fighting a war and said the goal is not to win the war. What? Maybe that explains why the death toll is at an all time high.Obama's Afghanistan Strategy: U.S. Deaths Hit A Record High In Afghanistan - Atlas Shrugs

jsarno · 10-08-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

When All-Universe Gen. MacArthur publicly disagreed and lamented President Truman's policies he was dismissed. If McChrystal opens his mouth again he should be fired promptly.

I think you're wanting to fire the wrong person.

saden1 · 10-08-2009, 11:12 PM

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I think you're wanting to fire the wrong person.

If only I had the power to fire people...there are a lot of folks I'd like to stick to a Delta IV rocket and send off to space. You would be a first first-class passenger on the maiden voyage.

jsarno · 10-08-2009, 11:22 PM

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If only I had the power to fire people...there are a lot of folks I'd like to stick to a Delta IV rocket and send off to space. You would be a first first-class passenger on the maiden voyage.

Nice personal attack...classy.

70Chip · 10-08-2009, 11:34 PM

Apparently there are all sorts of restrictions being placed on what the military is allowed to say:

"U.S. military officials have told CBS News that Iran is sending money and weapons onto the Afghan battlefield. But U.S. commanders are not allowed to comment publicly and it's unclear to them what the U.S. strategy is for dealing with Iran's increasingly deadly involvement. "

Cooperation Rises between Iran and Taliban - CBS Evening News - CBS News

That diplomatic approach is working really well. The Iranians are playing Obama for a chump.

CRedskinsRule · 10-09-2009, 09:56 AM

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If only I had the power to fire people...there are a lot of folks I'd like to stick to a Delta IV rocket and send off to space. You would be a first first-class passenger on the maiden voyage.

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Nice personal attack...classy.

careful Jsarno, Saden is taking practice shots

firstdown · 10-08-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I agree with the general's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan, I support a "surge," and I think the Administration should determine the new war plans, but the general should not run his mouth in public. He should report his recommendations in private and shouldn't spend his time talking to think tanks, analysts, and politicos.

Well I said that over and over again about things in Iraq that alot of what is said in public should have been discussed in private.

Hog1 · 10-07-2009, 06:28 PM

We either need to do more, or less as the same will tend to deliver the same results. AND since I don't think the....world can afford to deliver Afganistan "officially" to
Al-Qaeda, it proably shoud be more.
AND, I respect his opinion, and I am confident he is correct. He should have his ass handed to him for talking shit to the media. I realize he is frustrated with the status Quo....but the President can....hardly afford that sort of weakness

redsk1 · 10-08-2009, 09:27 AM

Did anyone see the 60 minutes special on McChrystal? Pretty good piece about the man. Seems hardworking and genuine. Doesn't mince words.

General McChrystal - 60 Minutes - CBS News

10-07-2009, 05:36 PM	#1
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House McCrystal basically says get off your ass's or we'll have another Vietnam. White House angry at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan - Telegraph __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-07-2009, 05:46 PM	#2
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House We'll have? I think we have pass the point of "have" long ago and are in the midst of Vietnam minus the body count. Good luck "winning" this quagmire. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House I agree with the general's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan, I support a "surge," and I think the Administration should determine the new war plans, but the general should not run his mouth in public. He should report his recommendations in private and shouldn't spend his time talking to think tanks, analysts, and politicos.

10-08-2009, 11:34 PM	#11
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 54 Posts: 3,048	Re: Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House Apparently there are all sorts of restrictions being placed on what the military is allowed to say: "U.S. military officials have told CBS News that Iran is sending money and weapons onto the Afghan battlefield. But U.S. commanders are not allowed to comment publicly and it's unclear to them what the U.S. strategy is for dealing with Iran's increasingly deadly involvement. " Cooperation Rises between Iran and Taliban - CBS Evening News - CBS News That diplomatic approach is working really well. The Iranians are playing Obama for a chump. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

10-07-2009, 06:28 PM	#14
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House We either need to do more, or less as the same will tend to deliver the same results. AND since I don't think the....world can afford to deliver Afganistan "officially" to Al-Qaeda, it proably shoud be more. AND, I respect his opinion, and I am confident he is correct. He should have his ass handed to him for talking shit to the media. I realize he is frustrated with the status Quo....but the President can....hardly afford that sort of weakness __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-08-2009, 09:27 AM	#15
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House Did anyone see the 60 minutes special on McChrystal? Pretty good piece about the man. Seems hardworking and genuine. Doesn't mince words. General McChrystal - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Gen. McChrystal calls out the White House

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