Divisional questions

Gibbsfanatic · 03-10-2004, 01:49 PM

Ok, guys. I know it's way too early to start discussing the division, especially with the draft still coming up, but what do you think about the moves, or lack of moves made by the other teams in our division. For example, the Eagles sign Kearse, but they have holes in their secondary, and they still will have trouble with the run. The Giants made minor moves as usual. And I guess the big question I have concerns Dallas. They made no moves for a quarterback. Keyshawn was an o.k. pick-up. But they still have no qb. Will they make a move for Couch? Parcells seems awful quiet.

cpayne5 · 03-10-2004, 01:59 PM

Parcells can coach anybody (Carter, Hambrick, nuff said), the Eagles will be carried once again by McNabb, and the Giants will fumble their season away as long as they keep handing off to Barber. Seriously though, it could become the best division in the league, quickly. Look at the coaches: Parcells, Reid, Coughlin, and Gibbs. Andy Reid, one of the better coaches in the league, is suddenly fighting for 3rd best in the East! Things could get interesting.

backrow · 03-10-2004, 01:59 PM

No matter what we do, the road to the Divisional championship goes through Philadelphia!

I see us at 8-8, but HOF Coach Gibbs was 8-8 in his first go-around, and we know what happened after that!

cpayne5 · 03-10-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by backrow

No matter what we do, the road to the Divisional championship goes through Philadelphia!

I see us at 8-8, but HOF Coach Gibbs was 8-8 in his first go-around, and we know what happened after that!

Only a 3 game difference from last year? This year should bring with it an easier schedule, which combined with a better coaching staff should produce more than 3 extra wins. But after this past year, I'll take it if they atleast show some improvement over the course of the season.

SkinsRock · 03-10-2004, 02:17 PM

Gibbs could have coached last season's team to at least 2-3 more wins. With the new veteran coaching staff and the improvements that have been made, I'd say 5-6 more wins than last year. The Eagles window is closing, and the Giants are a couple years away, so it'll be the Skins and Cowgirls battling it out...just like the old days!

joethiesmanfan · 03-10-2004, 02:11 PM

Easier schedule NO. we play the same teams everybody else in our division plays except two games schedule only affects 2 games.

cpayne5 · 03-10-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Easier schedule NO. we play the same teams everybody else in our division plays except two games schedule only affects 2 games.

2/16 games makes a difference.

SittingBull · 03-10-2004, 02:28 PM

I think we have a way easier schedule then last year. Most of our tough ones are at home this year i.e Green Bay, Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Minnesota. We got Cincinatti at home which should be a stomp. We play Detroit (probably on Thanksgiving), Cleveland, Chicago and an unproven 49ers away. Dallas meanwhile has to play Green Bay, Minnesota and Baltimore all away lol. Philly seems to have a similar home schedule as the Skins except switch out Tampa for Carolina. St louis and pittsburgh seem to be their hardest away games other then the division games of course.

SittingBull · 03-10-2004, 03:02 PM

I dont know whether to hope for some easy teams in the beginning so our team can get comfortable on the field with eachother when it counts or to hope for some hard teams first so they dont have alot of tape of what Gibbs likes to call and be at a disadvantage and get them out of the way.

SmootSmack · 03-10-2004, 03:37 PM

I think it will come down to Dallas and the Skins, as it should be.

The Giants really haven't done much to improve. There have been so rumors of Collins or Strahan along with the #4 going to the Chargers for the #1 pick. Granted, they were decimated by injuries particularly on the offensive line but I don't consider them a threat. Skins could have swept the Giants the last two years if they had stuck to the run, which I expect they'll do this year.

The Eagles, in my opinion, have been overachieving and it's bound to catch up with them. As of now, they have yet to get a no. 1 receiver, they lost Staley and Westbrook will be coming off a major injury. And they're probably going to lose both their corners, Taylor and Vincent. Adding Kearse is a risk, probably a risk worth taking, but considering his recent injury history it's still a risk

johnnyredskin63 · 03-10-2004, 05:40 PM

i can't beleive dallas has been so quiet in the free agent market.the eagles,and giants have not made a lot of noise either.next season the nfc east will once again be the toughest division in the nfl.i hate the pokes,iggles,and giants but i would quit watching if we did not have to play them each 2 times a year.

Beemnseven · 03-10-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyredskin63

i can't beleive dallas has been so quiet in the free agent market.the eagles,and giants have not made a lot of noise either.next season the nfc east will once again be the toughest division in the nfl.i hate the pokes,iggles,and giants but i would quit watching if we did not have to play them each 2 times a year.

I'm telling you right now -- WATCH OUT FOR DALLAS ON DRAFT DAY.

It's been quiet in Dallas this offseason, too quiet. Don't be surprised one bit if they work some sort of deal to leapfrog everybody and snatch up Kevin or Greg Jones, Kellen Winslow or ... Sean Taylor.

I haven't quite figured out the physics of such a deal, but with Jerry Jones, you just never know.

Keep your eyes peeled, fellas.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-10-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm telling you right now -- WATCH OUT FOR DALLAS ON DRAFT DAY.

It's been quiet in Dallas this offseason, too quiet. Don't be surprised one bit if they work some sort of deal to leapfrog everybody and snatch up Kevin or Greg Jones, Kellen Winslow or ... Sean Taylor.

I haven't quite figured out the physics of such a deal, but with Jerry Jones, you just never know.

Keep your eyes peeled, fellas.

I don't think the Boys will make a splash on draft day. They don't need Taylor with Williams and Woodson as their safeties. They could use a corner (but there is not a single corner worth trading up for). They desperately need a RB, but Greg Jones, Kevin Jones, or Steven Jackson will be available to them when they pick.

They could trade up to get Philip Rivers, but I doubt it. They have too many needs to trade up (they need every pick since they didn't address their needs during FA).

DA Hogs · 03-10-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SittingBull

I think we have a way easier schedule then last year. Most of our tough ones are at home this year i.e Green Bay, Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Minnesota. We got Cincinatti at home which should be a stomp. We play Detroit (probably on Thanksgiving), Cleveland, Chicago and an unproven 49ers away. Dallas meanwhile has to play Green Bay, Minnesota and Baltimore all away lol. Philly seems to have a similar home schedule as the Skins except switch out Tampa for Carolina. St louis and pittsburgh seem to be their hardest away games other then the division games of course.

i wouldn't call cinci a stomp they have drasticly improved in every game last year they have a great chance in running that division this year if baltimore was a fluke last season

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-10-2004, 10:28 PM

Every offseason I have talked about how the Eagles were not going to falter due to the loss of key players during free agency. This offseason may be different.

For one, the Eagles were horrible in stopping the run last season (as has been noted in previous posts), and they did little to help themselves this offseason. They got rid of the one guy on defense who really helped them stop the run - Carlos Emmons (and Dhani Jones, though good, is not a premiere run-stuffer). Moroever, the Eagles have yet to fill the hole at MLB left by Trotter's defection to Washington.

I don't think the losses of Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent will be felt all that much (provided there aren't major injuries in the new Eagles secondary). The Eagles have some great young corners and their pass rush has improved dramatically (with the addition of Kearse).

The Eagles run D has gotten worse, it's pretty much a draw in the secondary, and the pass rush has improved. Overall, I'd say the Eagles D has improved (barring major injuries in the secondary or to Kearse).

On offense, the Eagles surprisingly didn't pursue TO with much vigor. I thought that the Eagles would definately get TO. Because the Eagles have managed the cap so well, they could have afforded to front-load the contracts for Kearse and TO (so as to not mortgage the future). Maybe they'll end up with TO (if the Ravens deal falls through), but that's far from certain. Then the Eagles let Darrell "drop-em" Jackson get re-signed by the Seahawks. So, I guess they are going to wait to draft a wideout next month. Though they'll probably get a high quality WR (because of the amazing WR depth in the class of 2004).

Even if they do get a good WR in the draft (i.e. Rashaun Woods), they're going to have to hope that McNabb and Westbrook have great seasons if they expect their offense to go anywhere. Thrash, Mitchell and Pinkston just aren't getting the job done, Staley is a Steeler, and the Eagles oline is about as overrated as they get (not that they are considered top-notch, but they are considered good, which is far from true).

I say the Eagles offense has weakened more than the Eagles defense has improved.

The Eagles go 10-6 and we go 9-7. I'm going to say that we split the series (the first time I've said we'd split with the Eagles since 2000).

03-10-2004, 01:59 PM	#3
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	No matter! No matter what we do, the road to the Divisional championship goes through Philadelphia! I see us at 8-8, but HOF Coach Gibbs was 8-8 in his first go-around, and we know what happened after that! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

03-10-2004, 03:37 PM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I think it will come down to Dallas and the Skins, as it should be. The Giants really haven't done much to improve. There have been so rumors of Collins or Strahan along with the #4 going to the Chargers for the #1 pick. Granted, they were decimated by injuries particularly on the offensive line but I don't consider them a threat. Skins could have swept the Giants the last two years if they had stuck to the run, which I expect they'll do this year. The Eagles, in my opinion, have been overachieving and it's bound to catch up with them. As of now, they have yet to get a no. 1 receiver, they lost Staley and Westbrook will be coming off a major injury. And they're probably going to lose both their corners, Taylor and Vincent. Adding Kearse is a risk, probably a risk worth taking, but considering his recent injury history it's still a risk __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-10-2004, 05:40 PM	#11
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	i can't beleive dallas has been so quiet in the free agent market.the eagles,and giants have not made a lot of noise either.next season the nfc east will once again be the toughest division in the nfl.i hate the pokes,iggles,and giants but i would quit watching if we did not have to play them each 2 times a year. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-10-2004, 01:49 PM	#1
Gibbsfanatic Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3	Divisional questions Ok, guys. I know it's way too early to start discussing the division, especially with the draft still coming up, but what do you think about the moves, or lack of moves made by the other teams in our division. For example, the Eagles sign Kearse, but they have holes in their secondary, and they still will have trouble with the run. The Giants made minor moves as usual. And I guess the big question I have concerns Dallas. They made no moves for a quarterback. Keyshawn was an o.k. pick-up. But they still have no qb. Will they make a move for Couch? Parcells seems awful quiet.

03-10-2004, 01:59 PM	#2
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Parcells can coach anybody (Carter, Hambrick, nuff said), the Eagles will be carried once again by McNabb, and the Giants will fumble their season away as long as they keep handing off to Barber. Seriously though, it could become the best division in the league, quickly. Look at the coaches: Parcells, Reid, Coughlin, and Gibbs. Andy Reid, one of the better coaches in the league, is suddenly fighting for 3rd best in the East! Things could get interesting.

03-10-2004, 02:17 PM	#5
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	Gibbs could have coached last season's team to at least 2-3 more wins. With the new veteran coaching staff and the improvements that have been made, I'd say 5-6 more wins than last year. The Eagles window is closing, and the Giants are a couple years away, so it'll be the Skins and Cowgirls battling it out...just like the old days!

03-10-2004, 02:11 PM	#6
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Easier schedule NO. we play the same teams everybody else in our division plays except two games schedule only affects 2 games.

03-10-2004, 02:28 PM	#8
SittingBull Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax< VA Posts: 89	I think we have a way easier schedule then last year. Most of our tough ones are at home this year i.e Green Bay, Baltimore, Tampa Bay and Minnesota. We got Cincinatti at home which should be a stomp. We play Detroit (probably on Thanksgiving), Cleveland, Chicago and an unproven 49ers away. Dallas meanwhile has to play Green Bay, Minnesota and Baltimore all away lol. Philly seems to have a similar home schedule as the Skins except switch out Tampa for Carolina. St louis and pittsburgh seem to be their hardest away games other then the division games of course.

03-10-2004, 03:02 PM	#9
SittingBull Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax< VA Posts: 89	I dont know whether to hope for some easy teams in the beginning so our team can get comfortable on the field with eachother when it counts or to hope for some hard teams first so they dont have alot of tape of what Gibbs likes to call and be at a disadvantage and get them out of the way.

03-10-2004, 10:28 PM	#15
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Every offseason I have talked about how the Eagles were not going to falter due to the loss of key players during free agency. This offseason may be different. For one, the Eagles were horrible in stopping the run last season (as has been noted in previous posts), and they did little to help themselves this offseason. They got rid of the one guy on defense who really helped them stop the run - Carlos Emmons (and Dhani Jones, though good, is not a premiere run-stuffer). Moroever, the Eagles have yet to fill the hole at MLB left by Trotter's defection to Washington. I don't think the losses of Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent will be felt all that much (provided there aren't major injuries in the new Eagles secondary). The Eagles have some great young corners and their pass rush has improved dramatically (with the addition of Kearse). The Eagles run D has gotten worse, it's pretty much a draw in the secondary, and the pass rush has improved. Overall, I'd say the Eagles D has improved (barring major injuries in the secondary or to Kearse). On offense, the Eagles surprisingly didn't pursue TO with much vigor. I thought that the Eagles would definately get TO. Because the Eagles have managed the cap so well, they could have afforded to front-load the contracts for Kearse and TO (so as to not mortgage the future). Maybe they'll end up with TO (if the Ravens deal falls through), but that's far from certain. Then the Eagles let Darrell "drop-em" Jackson get re-signed by the Seahawks. So, I guess they are going to wait to draft a wideout next month. Though they'll probably get a high quality WR (because of the amazing WR depth in the class of 2004). Even if they do get a good WR in the draft (i.e. Rashaun Woods), they're going to have to hope that McNabb and Westbrook have great seasons if they expect their offense to go anywhere. Thrash, Mitchell and Pinkston just aren't getting the job done, Staley is a Steeler, and the Eagles oline is about as overrated as they get (not that they are considered top-notch, but they are considered good, which is far from true). I say the Eagles offense has weakened more than the Eagles defense has improved. The Eagles go 10-6 and we go 9-7. I'm going to say that we split the series (the first time I've said we'd split with the Eagles since 2000).

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