Execution Sucks!

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:15 PM

Figured I'd try my best to even out the Joe Gibbs witch hunt threads. The reason why we're 3-7 right now is for many reasons and to say it's sloely Joe Gibbs is just completely wrong. We've had injuries...our top players out for most if not all the season; Brunell has been a dissappointment...our receivers have been inconsistant...execution overall has not been consistant. Yes Joe Gibbs play calling hasn't been golden all the time...ya know this is his first season back in 12 years...what do you expect? He's working out the kinks. Its' trial and error for him right now and some of the errors make him look pathetic, while some of the positives make him look like a genius.

Its not one thing that has made us 3-7, it's many things, but its things that can be corrected by next season...Gibbs said he's going to find out who are Redskins players and who are not...Maybe he thought all along of this season being a rebuilding season. Maybe it's possible that the play calling right now is merely just an audtion?? Whatever it is, Gibbs isn't the problem.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:21 PM

#1 Gibbs was the guy who went after Brunell so hard. Doesn't he share in the blame for that?

#2 Most of our injuries have affected our defense and our defense is ranked #2 whereas our offense is ranked #31 (in scoring).

#3 Jon Jansen was the only starter out on offense until today (when Thomas got hurt).

#4 If the players aren't executing, as head coach, doesn't Gibbs get some of the blame for that?

#5 Gibbs isn't the sole reason for our record, but he's the head coach. He picked his staff, he chose our roster (i.e. Brunell), and he coaches the players. To absolve him of blame is just wrong.

djnemo65 · 11-21-2004, 10:34 PM

I completely agree with your assessment ramseyfan. I would also add that its not just that the play calling has been at times spotty, but it was today completely inexplicable. i think it was ambrose bierce who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, and that's my attitude towards Gibbs' stubborn playcalling. Playaction passes on first down were sitting there for us to take, especially early, and we kept just plugging Portis up the middle, as if he's Jerome Bettis.

And what hurts me most is the lack of improvement on offense. I thought ramsey did well and made alot of throws that brunell certainly would not have, but there is a larger problem in gameplanning that persists. Also, someone needs to tell Gibbs that third and three is not a running down in today's NFL. How many times this year have we been stuffed in that situation.

Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay. For me the sparkle of those three past Lombardi trophies has faded, and my attitude is now show me. show me you can move the ball. show me you can adjust your gameplan to what the defense gives you. show me you understand the nuances of todays game.

I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay.
I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

djnemo65 · 11-21-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Yeah, but we have Portis and Coles. Whethere they are as good as riggins and monk is debatable, but i think improvement from week to week is a reasonable expectation.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

Then they need to start executing as such. How many drops have we seen from these receivers this year? I think Portis IS our offense, but even he has dropped many passes. Samuels has been the only consistant I've noticed.

LadyT · 11-21-2004, 10:51 PM

Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative.

The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . .

It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays.

But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living.

Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same.

For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

Redskins_P · 11-22-2004, 09:31 AM

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.[/QUOTE

I wouldn't say best. More like overpaid.....

MTK · 11-21-2004, 10:23 PM

LOL so much for that

1 post and we're back on pushing the blame on Gibbs.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL so much for that

1 post and we're back on pushing the blame on Gibbs.

Why would we blame Gibbs? It's not like he's the head coach or anything.

PS-You guys jumped on me in my thread so it was only fair for me to come into yours.

Gmanc711 · 11-21-2004, 10:25 PM

To absolve blame Gibbs of blame is wrong, I agree. To place the blame soley on him is wong as well. Theres gotta be some middle ground here. Maybe were not as patient as we are telling others (media) to be. Gibbs is obviously struggling finding a offense. I think he just has to relize that in todays NFL, we cant just play everything safe. We have to gamble, which will pay off and hurt us at the same time. In some situations, it will be the difference for a win, in others a loss. We cant play like we did today ( playcalling) and expect to win. All of the blame isnt on him, and people would be crazy to say it is, but some of it absolutley falls on him.

skinsguy · 11-21-2004, 10:30 PM

Gibbs picks his players yet there is only one name mentioned..nobody has mentioned Portis, Sean Taylor, Griffin, Springs....new players that have been positive for us. Ramsey sucked in the preseason and Brunell played better...it came down to Brunell not doing his job in the regular season...that falls on Brunell....again EXECUTION. If the players aren't executing, how can you blame the coach? Why is it Gibbs' fault that Ramsey over throws a wide open Coles down the field?

Certainly Gibbs isn't the sole reason and yeah he's made some mistakes and some bad play calling and he'll tell you that himself. Yet, it gets rather unbelieveable when we blame the coaches on execution...they are not the ones playing on the field.

MTK · 11-21-2004, 10:30 PM

ugh how many times do I have to say Gibbs deserves some criticism?

I'd just like to see a more even argument here. Seems like we're piling on Gibbs and overlooking what the players are doing, or not doing to be more specific.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-21-2004, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

ugh how many times do I have to say Gibbs deserves some criticism?

I'd just like to see a more even argument here. Seems like we're piling on Gibbs and overlooking what the players are doing, or not doing to be more specific.

Matty, why can't you admit that Gibbs deserves some of the criticism.

11-21-2004, 10:25 PM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	To absolve blame Gibbs of blame is wrong, I agree. To place the blame soley on him is wong as well. Theres gotta be some middle ground here. Maybe were not as patient as we are telling others (media) to be. Gibbs is obviously struggling finding a offense. I think he just has to relize that in todays NFL, we cant just play everything safe. We have to gamble, which will pay off and hurt us at the same time. In some situations, it will be the difference for a win, in others a loss. We cant play like we did today ( playcalling) and expect to win. All of the blame isnt on him, and people would be crazy to say it is, but some of it absolutley falls on him. __________________ #21

11-21-2004, 10:15 PM	#1
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Execution Sucks! Figured I'd try my best to even out the Joe Gibbs witch hunt threads. The reason why we're 3-7 right now is for many reasons and to say it's sloely Joe Gibbs is just completely wrong. We've had injuries...our top players out for most if not all the season; Brunell has been a dissappointment...our receivers have been inconsistant...execution overall has not been consistant. Yes Joe Gibbs play calling hasn't been golden all the time...ya know this is his first season back in 12 years...what do you expect? He's working out the kinks. Its' trial and error for him right now and some of the errors make him look pathetic, while some of the positives make him look like a genius. Its not one thing that has made us 3-7, it's many things, but its things that can be corrected by next season...Gibbs said he's going to find out who are Redskins players and who are not...Maybe he thought all along of this season being a rebuilding season. Maybe it's possible that the play calling right now is merely just an audtion?? Whatever it is, Gibbs isn't the problem.

11-21-2004, 10:21 PM	#2
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	#1 Gibbs was the guy who went after Brunell so hard. Doesn't he share in the blame for that? #2 Most of our injuries have affected our defense and our defense is ranked #2 whereas our offense is ranked #31 (in scoring). #3 Jon Jansen was the only starter out on offense until today (when Thomas got hurt). #4 If the players aren't executing, as head coach, doesn't Gibbs get some of the blame for that? #5 Gibbs isn't the sole reason for our record, but he's the head coach. He picked his staff, he chose our roster (i.e. Brunell), and he coaches the players. To absolve him of blame is just wrong.

11-21-2004, 10:34 PM	#3
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	I completely agree with your assessment ramseyfan. I would also add that its not just that the play calling has been at times spotty, but it was today completely inexplicable. i think it was ambrose bierce who said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, and that's my attitude towards Gibbs' stubborn playcalling. Playaction passes on first down were sitting there for us to take, especially early, and we kept just plugging Portis up the middle, as if he's Jerome Bettis. And what hurts me most is the lack of improvement on offense. I thought ramsey did well and made alot of throws that brunell certainly would not have, but there is a larger problem in gameplanning that persists. Also, someone needs to tell Gibbs that third and three is not a running down in today's NFL. How many times this year have we been stuffed in that situation. Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay. For me the sparkle of those three past Lombardi trophies has faded, and my attitude is now show me. show me you can move the ball. show me you can adjust your gameplan to what the defense gives you. show me you understand the nuances of todays game. I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

11-21-2004, 10:51 PM	#8
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative. The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . . It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays. But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living. Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same. For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

11-22-2004, 09:31 AM	#9
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk. Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.[/QUOTE I wouldn't say best. More like overpaid.....

11-21-2004, 10:23 PM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	LOL so much for that 1 post and we're back on pushing the blame on Gibbs.

11-21-2004, 10:30 PM	#13
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Gibbs picks his players yet there is only one name mentioned..nobody has mentioned Portis, Sean Taylor, Griffin, Springs....new players that have been positive for us. Ramsey sucked in the preseason and Brunell played better...it came down to Brunell not doing his job in the regular season...that falls on Brunell....again EXECUTION. If the players aren't executing, how can you blame the coach? Why is it Gibbs' fault that Ramsey over throws a wide open Coles down the field? Certainly Gibbs isn't the sole reason and yeah he's made some mistakes and some bad play calling and he'll tell you that himself. Yet, it gets rather unbelieveable when we blame the coaches on execution...they are not the ones playing on the field.

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