Snyder Camp Upset!!

[Longtimefan]

This article published by the DC City Paper last November obviously hasn't gone over well with the Snyder camp.

The Cranky Redskins Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder - Washington City Paper

Snyder wants to see the author removed.

Redskins owner Dan Snyder seeks dismissal of City Paper writer

Discuss

[724Skinsfan]

Well, sure it seems bad when you lump it all together like that...

[wilsowilso]

Montgomery Burns.

[SmootSmack]

There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.

That could also explain why the Snyder people are so upset. Some people get confused between the projected Snyder image, and the real one which has never really been known. The article was published a few days after the infamous Chad Dukes rant on 10.7 the fan.

Chad Dukes Rant On the Redskins 59-28 Loss « 106.7 The Fan – DC Sportsradio

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.

I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.

You know, I'd like to believe that, but something tells me whoever he loses in regards to season ticket-holders would be replaced by others wanting season tickets. Even if half of those fans don't show up (because of a losing season) I'm sure he's still making his green.

The only way to run Snyder out of town would be doing what this article and what the fans (wearing the anti-Dan shirts) are doing in order to hurt his reputation. But apparently it hasn't had much affect on the guy. So, to me, it's pretty much just futile attempts to get him to sell the team. I just think none of that stuff is going to work.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You know, I'd like to believe that, but something tells me whoever he loses in regards to season ticket-holders would be replaced by others wanting season tickets. Even if half of those fans don't show up (because of a losing season) I'm sure he's still making his green.

The only way to run Snyder out of town would be doing what this article and what the fans (wearing the anti-Dan shirts) are doing in order to hurt his reputation. But apparently it hasn't had much affect on the guy. So, to me, it's pretty much just futile attempts to get him to sell the team. I just think none of that stuff is going to work.

The article makes what I think is a valid point about this "waiting list" for season tickets. The whole thing is a marketing sham. There was a list for years, I really don't believe there's much of one now. I know that there's a big difference between the high end boxes & avg. seats. Supposedly they will concede that boxes are easy to get, if you have $.

But the marketing they've been doing for tickets doesn't look it's simply aimed at selling boxes, it's to the avg. fan. I entered a free ticket drawing online & the next day got a call from a friendly woman from redskins ticket office saying that seats were available.

Your logic I think is the same logic that DS has relied upon; that there is always someone to fill the seats. Well in this economy, that hasn't been the case. In one case on monday night we saw that there were plenty of people filling the seats, just so happened that they were in black & gold.

When I look at Snyder's ownership tenure, from a biz standpoint I see a product that is living off it's brand name, not its substance. At some point consumers associate the brand name negatively, that's what's been happening the last few years. I know that winning will change a lot, but Snyder's problem is that he has exhausted all his political capital w/the fan base to the extent that he now HAS to win.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The article makes what I think is a valid point about this "waiting list" for season tickets. The whole thing is a marketing sham. There was a list for years, I really don't believe there's much of one now. I know that there's a big difference between the high end boxes & avg. seats. Supposedly they will concede that boxes are easy to get, if you have $.

But the marketing they've been doing for tickets doesn't look it's simply aimed at selling boxes, it's to the avg. fan. I entered a free ticket drawing online & the next day got a call from a friendly woman from redskins ticket office saying that seats were available.

Your logic I think is the same logic that DS has relied upon; that there is always someone to fill the seats. Well in this economy, that hasn't been the case. In one case on monday night we saw that there were plenty of people filling the seats, just so happened that they were in black & gold.

When I look at Snyder's ownership tenure, from a biz standpoint I see a product that is living off it's brand name, not its substance. At some point consumers associate the brand name negatively, that's what's been happening the last few years. I know that winning will change a lot, but Snyder's problem is that he has exhausted all his political capital w/the fan base to the extent that he now HAS to win.

Interesting post, and certainly one that I don't completely disagree on. I do think Snyder is making a living off of the name, because it is obviously still making money. The team is located near an area where the average income is far greater than what it would be if the team was located in Southern VA. But you know, this team has been losing, more than winning, on a consistent basis since 1993, yet the team is still very popular and still considered one of the top storied franchises in the league.

Now, as far as marketing, I do find it interesting that the tickets are supposedly sold out, but yet I have been getting calls about tickets and stuff mailed to me. The only way I would ever buy season tickets is if A) I could afford to do so and the seats were decent, and B) I knew that I could easily sell a game or two and recoup my loss. But that's just me saying this, because I don't make six figures a year or even close to it.

But one other thing I would say....winning changes everything! Cowboys fans don't like Jerry Jones, but they can really care less how he runs the team so as long as the team is winning. I would say the same about the Redskins.

[SkinDogg]

[QUOTE=freddyg12;781823]I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.[/QUOTE]

Seems some are already on top of it.

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[saden1]

I didn't realized how much of a little bitch Snyder really is...he can go suck a d*ck and hopefully choke on it.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by saden1

I didn't realized how much of a little bitch Snyder really is...he can go suck a d*ck and hopefully choke on it.

Thats also exactly the way i feel

[SolidSnake84]

I, like some others, feel like Snyder has done his part this season to try and change the culture and change his image.

BUT, it's not going to be overnight. He has been pretty much a dickhead for his entire time of ownership, went out of his way to alienate fans with the horrible censorship in 2008, and has basically given himself a horrible reputation. Those kind of changes will take time for people to soak it in.

I have my doubts too about Snyder, but i really think he is intent on changing for the good. But i do worry if he will go back to his old ways if this season is a dissappointment again...Firing coaches, etc, crazy player signings....etc.

[skinsguy]

I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

I don't know, SG . . . I think Snyder's body of work in the few years immediately following, and perhaps even during, the Gibbs II era showed that he hadn't quite "gotten it" yet.

With regard to the article, there was no news broken by it; it was a deliberate hatchet job, pure and simple. The City Paper has run a number of truly informative cover stories over the years, and this wasn't one of them. That being said, I'm actually curious to see, if a lawsuit is in fact filed, exactly what was inaccurate within the story. There can't be any doubt that a lot of what was in this story is true, and I imagine it was the inventorying of those actually-true things in one place that probably upset Snyder as much as the inclusion of anything that was less than accurate. The simple fact is that he's made himself an easy target, whether he likes it or not. And yes, winning would take the heat off of him, but he's had a primary role in obstructing winning since he's been here.