Redskins Reconstruction: Wide Receivers

[SmootSmack]

Redskins Reconstruction: Wide Receiver

[MTK]

James Jones would be a nice addition.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

James Jones would be a nice addition.

So would Jacoby Jones.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

James Jones would be a nice addition.

Rich spoke about the 24 yr old Sidney Rice of the Minnesota Vikings.....your thoughts on Sidney Rice.....

Last season cut short as a result of injury.

Sidney Rice, WR for the Minnesota Vikings at NFL.com

[SBXVII]

I'm so tired of the Skins picking skill positions 1st roung, although thats probably when they need to be taken.

Again I'd rather the team fixed the trenches prior to trying to fix everything everywhere. Lets fix the OL and DL. Get a late round tall WR to work with along with Kelly( if he stays healthy) and possibly pick up a future QB.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm so tired of the Skins picking skill positions 1st roung, although thats probably when they need to be taken.

Again I'd rather the team fixed the trenches prior to trying to fix everything everywhere. Lets fix the OL and DL. Get a late round tall WR to work with along with Kelly( if he stays healthy) and possibly pick up a future QB.

I agree with you - our O-line/D-line sucks. But the danger about only concentrating on the lines is that WR's and QB's take up to 3 years to develop. So if you drafted/created your entire O-line before looking at QB/WR - the O-line would wait and age while the QB/WR developed, and only have 3-4 years before the O-line needed fixing again.

Obviously you need to improve on as many areas as you can, continuously via FA and draft. It would just be nice to do it the Green Bay way -- ie. draft young skill players early (like Aaron Rodgers), and keep them developing while fixing the rest of the team.. And then bring him out after 3-4 years and -- win the Super Bowl.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by ethat001

I agree with you - our O-line/D-line sucks. But the danger about only concentrating on the lines is that WR's and QB's take up to 3 years to develop. So if you drafted/created your entire O-line before looking at QB/WR - the O-line would wait and age while the QB/WR developed, and only have 3-4 years before the O-line needed fixing again.

Obviously you need to improve on as many areas as you can, continuously via FA and draft. It would just be nice to do it the Green Bay way -- ie. draft young skill players early (like Aaron Rodgers), and keep them developing while fixing the rest of the team.. And then bring him out after 3-4 years and -- win the Super Bowl.

This post makes too much sense for some

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[skinsfaninok]

I wouldn't mind James jones but to me he's just a number 2 at best, maybe we can get Malcolm floyd from SD or MSW from Jax

[diehardskin2982]

This reconstruction segment is hilarious. According to them the QB is the foundation of the team. The offensive and defensive line is the foundations IMO. As for widerecievers I think we should draft a kid with size resign moss and also pick someone like Steve Smith. Someone that moves the chains

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

This reconstruction segment is hilarious. According to them the QB is the foundation of the team. The offensive and defensive line is the foundations IMO. As for widerecievers I think we should draft a kid with size resign moss and also pick someone like Steve Smith. Someone that moves the chains

How can you say thats hilarious? QB being the foundation of a team is a valid hypothesis. The teams that are competing year in and year out are drafting guys to play around their QB, not the other way around. The QB is usually at the root of every decision a team makes. Even Jeff Saturday, a Center mind you, was talking about how Peyton Manning was the foundation of the Colts organization on Total Access a few days ago.

Just as ethat was saying it's all about timing. Building a perfect line and hoping to draft the QB later doesn't time up well because by the time your QB is developed you have a line thats either injured, old, filled with busted draft picks, or guys that are to expensive to keep around in the salary cap era. The Vikings are learning that the hard way now, with an aging O-Line and no QB after years of building up front.

On top of that a good QB should be able to succeed with an average line. Maybe they won't be able to light the world on fire, but they should at least play well week in and week out. Big Ben, Peyton, Brady, Schuab, Matt Ryan, and Brees have all put up great numbers with average lines.

Anyway, back to the original point. QB's aren't always the foundation but more times then not they are. Foundation is the part of the team that last the longest and has the most influence over how you build your team and play on Sundays.

Any unit or player can serve as a teams foundation but more times then not it's the QB. Furthermore very few teams were built around an offensive or defensive front. In fact the only ones I can think of are the Hogs in the 80's, the Giants and Tampa D-Lines over the past decade, and the Steelers D-Line in the 70's. Most championship contenders though have been built around a Quarterback.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

How can you say thats hilarious? QB being the foundation of a team is a valid hypothesis.

It is a valid hypothesis yes, but it is a scenario of catching lightining in a bottle. The skins of the late 80's, early 90's prove my point. 3 superbowls, franchise Qb's. The ravens lone superbowl won by a backup caliber qb. TB, Giants. I will give you that the rule have been changed to benefit teams with top notch qb's.

If you can not protect the QB, you can't develop a QB. So if I was using an analogy, I'd use a car in that the O line is the body of the car, while the QB is the Driver. Without the right protection of a body in a bad accident the driver is most likely dead.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It is a valid hypothesis yes, but it is a scenario of catching lightining in a bottle. The skins of the late 80's, early 90's prove my point. 3 superbowls, franchise Qb's. The ravens lone superbowl won by a backup caliber qb. TB, Giants. I will give you that the rule have been changed to benefit teams with top notch qb's.

If you can not protect the QB, you can't develop a QB. So if I was using an analogy, I'd use a car in that the O line is the body of the car, while the QB is the Driver. Without the right protection of a body in a bad accident the driver is most likely dead.

Who?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It is a valid hypothesis yes, but it is a scenario of catching lightining in a bottle. The skins of the late 80's, early 90's prove my point. 3 superbowls, franchise Qb's. The ravens lone superbowl won by a backup caliber qb. TB, Giants. I will give you that the rule have been changed to benefit teams with top notch qb's.

If you can not protect the QB, you can't develop a QB. So if I was using an analogy, I'd use a car in that the O line is the body of the car, while the QB is the Driver. Without the right protection of a body in a bad accident the driver is most likely dead.

Those teams are the exception, not the rule. I'm not going to stand here and say that you need a QB to win a Super Bowl, but these days if you want to be a viable Super Bowl contender for more then a one year miracle run you need a QB.

I can't think of one team in todays NFL since the post 2004 5 yard holding rules were emphasized that has won a Super Bowl without either a bona fide franchise QB or a QB that played lights out during the postseason.

- Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Packers, and Saints all had top tier franchise QB's.

-The lone outlier, New York Giants, finished their Super Bowl run with a QB that posted a 95.7 rating in the playoffs that year. A performance that saw Eli Manning follow up with a Pro Bowl appearance the following year.

Also of all the teams that even made it to the Super Bowl in the New NFL, only the Bears reached the big game without a Pro Bowl QB. They were slaughtered.

With that said, we need to continue to build our front lines. For anyone who's even remotely curious here's how I personally prioritize units when it comes to the draft.

1. QB
2. DL
3. OL
4. DB
5. LB
6. WR
7. RB

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

This reconstruction segment is hilarious. According to them the QB is the foundation of the team. The offensive and defensive line is the foundations IMO. As for widerecievers I think we should draft a kid with size resign moss and also pick someone like Steve Smith. Someone that moves the chains

Get the O line situation under control and the rest will follow. It was dumb though to retain CP with the contract we gave him. Guy is a gamer, and I like him a lot. I am glad he is going to stay a Skin, but he isn't going to ever play a full season ever again, unless we shore up the damn line. As for WR, just get a guy that is physical and has good hands. We wasted a ton of low end picks on guys that are small and/or lanky. Speed is nice, but if you can't take a hit or fend off the bump and run you are worthless.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Get the O line situation under control and the rest will follow. It was dumb though to retain CP with the contract we gave him. Guy is a gamer, and I like him a lot. I am glad he is going to stay a Skin, but he isn't going to ever play a full season ever again, unless we shore up the damn line. As for WR, just get a guy that is physical and has good hands. We wasted a ton of low end picks on guys that are small and/or lanky. Speed is nice, but if you can't take a hit or fend off the bump and run you are worthless.

I think they were joking about the signing CP thread. Pretty sure it was an April Fools joke.