how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger

dmek25 · 01-13-2012, 02:02 PM

i see all of the posts on who people want here in DC. this is about how to get your man here. name who you would like to be starting in DC next season, and how you propose to bring him here. lots of folk want Flynn. OK then, what would you pay to bring him here? i personally want RG3. i would move up to #2, and give up this years and next years #1. and this years and next years #2. and maybe someone like Cooley. don't know if that would be enough. but i know that i am sick of the last dozen years of horrible QB play

chrisl13 · 01-13-2012, 02:35 PM

Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2.

Lotus · 01-13-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl13

Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2.

I agree and I would not be opposed to something like this. Given that the difference between #3 and #6 is 600 points on the (sometimes disregarded) trade value chart, we might even get away with giving up our 1st and 3rd in 2012 and our #2 in 2013. Jumping up to #3 to get RGIII is not a bad or overly expensive idea, all things considered. We need a star QB!

SmootSmack · 01-13-2012, 02:44 PM

I love your sig Chris, That Talking Baby...How about Stewie?

Anyhow, this is a good question. And I don't know the answer.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-13-2012, 04:27 PM

Well ... if I am "pulling the trigger", that would imply that I had access to a gun which I could then put to the head of the guy I wanted and he would sign a minimum level contract for ten years.

Oh ... that's not what you mean? sorry.

I think the price of trading up for Luck and/or RGIII will be too high for a team with as many needs as the Skins have. Therefore, I would want a "middling veteran free agent QB" here as the starter at least at the beginning of next year and then for the Skins to draft a developmental QB.

My preferred free agent QB would be Kyle Orton

The QBs who I think can be had later in the draft that I like are: (alphabetical order to prevent splitting hairs over which development project is better than the others)

Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?)
Kellen Moore
Russell Wilson

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?)
Kellen Moore
Russell Wilson

Jones is staying in school.

GTripp0012 · 01-13-2012, 04:17 PM

I would sign Chad Henne to a 4/$20 ($6 million guaranteed), and I would trade up to the 3rd overall pick so long as I could get it for the 6th pick, a 2013 2nd rounder, and a 2012 3rd rounder (though this may not be enough if the Vikings aren't actively looking to trade down). If Robert Griffin is there at 3rd overall, I would select him. If the Rams take him at no. 2, I'm keeping the pick and taking either Blackmon or Kalil.

In the scenario where RG3 is a Ram, I would trade up again from the 39th pick to the 32nd pick (last in the first round) to draft Nick Foles. This is a trade that would cost us one of our two fourths. But the real goal here is to have a fifth year option on Nick Foles' contract, something you don't get if you draft him in the second round.

So then next year, you head into the season with either 1) Griffin, 2) Henne on the depth chart, or 1) Henne, 2) Foles on the depth chart. I would consider re-signing Rex Grossman anyway, but I would be looking to draft someone like Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins in the fifth round anyway, and that pick would make Grossman expendable.

skinsfaninok · 01-13-2012, 04:33 PM

Chad Henne? I'd rather have Flynn

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:41 PM

I would say if the Redskins are going the free agency route (which I don't care much for) and are drafting a development QB, the only one I think would be worth a pick is Ryan Tannehill. And since he has a broken foot, he might come a lot cheaper than expected, so the 'skins could possibly use their first rounder to trade down and pick up a lot of great picks.

Defensewins · 01-13-2012, 04:43 PM

No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.

skins89moss · 01-14-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.

The Browns may pursue Matt Flynn he is a free agent and Holmgrem could then use their pick to trade back with us or to any other team ( Dolphins, SeaHawks) who may want RGIII.

44Deezel · 01-14-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.

Teams are so quick to give up on guys these days. It used to be a given that rookie QBs needed 2-3 years to develop. Remember how San Diego quit on Brees and drafted Philip River right before Brees' break out year?

McCoy could still turn out to be a good QB.

tryfuhl · 01-13-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

If you already have someone like Bradford etc you can let anyone trade into that spot.. I wouldn't call ponder a heavy investment though he was first round.. you think the browns are so set on McCoy that they wouldn't take rg3? Lol!

irish · 01-14-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

Absolutely. Under no circumstances give up any draft picks to move up.

01-13-2012, 04:27 PM	#5
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Well ... if I am "pulling the trigger", that would imply that I had access to a gun which I could then put to the head of the guy I wanted and he would sign a minimum level contract for ten years. Oh ... that's not what you mean? sorry. I think the price of trading up for Luck and/or RGIII will be too high for a team with as many needs as the Skins have. Therefore, I would want a "middling veteran free agent QB" here as the starter at least at the beginning of next year and then for the Skins to draft a developmental QB. My preferred free agent QB would be Kyle Orton The QBs who I think can be had later in the draft that I like are: (alphabetical order to prevent splitting hairs over which development project is better than the others) Kirk Cousins Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?) Kellen Moore Russell Wilson __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports... Last edited by sportscurmudgeon; 01-13-2012 at 04:29 PM. Reason: spelling and grammar

01-13-2012, 04:17 PM	#7
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger I would sign Chad Henne to a 4/$20 ($6 million guaranteed), and I would trade up to the 3rd overall pick so long as I could get it for the 6th pick, a 2013 2nd rounder, and a 2012 3rd rounder (though this may not be enough if the Vikings aren't actively looking to trade down). If Robert Griffin is there at 3rd overall, I would select him. If the Rams take him at no. 2, I'm keeping the pick and taking either Blackmon or Kalil. In the scenario where RG3 is a Ram, I would trade up again from the 39th pick to the 32nd pick (last in the first round) to draft Nick Foles. This is a trade that would cost us one of our two fourths. But the real goal here is to have a fifth year option on Nick Foles' contract, something you don't get if you draft him in the second round. So then next year, you head into the season with either 1) Griffin, 2) Henne on the depth chart, or 1) Henne, 2) Foles on the depth chart. I would consider re-signing Rex Grossman anyway, but I would be looking to draft someone like Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins in the fifth round anyway, and that pick would make Grossman expendable. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

01-13-2012, 04:33 PM	#8
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,178	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Chad Henne? I'd rather have Flynn __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

01-13-2012, 04:41 PM	#9
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger I would say if the Redskins are going the free agency route (which I don't care much for) and are drafting a development QB, the only one I think would be worth a pick is Ryan Tannehill. And since he has a broken foot, he might come a lot cheaper than expected, so the 'skins could possibly use their first rounder to trade down and pick up a lot of great picks. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

01-13-2012, 04:43 PM	#10
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6. Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us: 1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck. 2) Rams - Already have Bradford 3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder 4) Browns - already have McCoy 5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen 6) Skinnies I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

01-13-2012, 02:02 PM	#1
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger i see all of the posts on who people want here in DC. this is about how to get your man here. name who you would like to be starting in DC next season, and how you propose to bring him here. lots of folk want Flynn. OK then, what would you pay to bring him here? i personally want RG3. i would move up to #2, and give up this years and next years #1. and this years and next years #2. and maybe someone like Cooley. don't know if that would be enough. but i know that i am sick of the last dozen years of horrible QB play __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-13-2012, 02:35 PM	#2
chrisl13 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 2 Minutes away from Fedex Field, Maryland Posts: 363	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2. __________________ Skins, '04 - Forever.

01-13-2012, 02:44 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger I love your sig Chris, That Talking Baby...How about Stewie? Anyhow, this is a good question. And I don't know the answer. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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