Gardner Good as Gone

[Paintrain]

From ESPN: Gardner Allowed to Seek Trade

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1978715

I like the fact that the Redskins are asking for a 2nd round pick, do you think they'll get it?

[SmootSmack]

If they do get a 2nd I think it'll be a very low second rounder, almost a 3rd.

I think they're asking for a 2nd as a starting point, figuring they might get a 3rd when all is said and done.

[JWsleep]

Doubt we'll get it. Wonder what's gonna happen when no one bites?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I would bet my life we only get a very, very low 2nd rounder (i.e. from the Chargers) or we get a high 3rd rounder.

I'm not so much worried about Gardner's trade value as I am about Smoot's situation. If we let this guy go without any compensation (because we can't afford to tag him), I'll be livid. We should be able to get a very high second rounder for Smoot.

If we packaged our 3rd rounder (9th in the third round) and a second round pick we'd get for Smoot, we'd be able to get a low 1st round pick. That would leave us with the 9th overall pick, another first round pick, a 3rd rounder, a 4th rounder, and a pick in the sixth and seventh rounds.

We'd definately be able to draft a top notch wideout (like Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, or Troy Williamson - who many feel will watch his his stock skyrocket after the combine), a solid starting defensive end or tackle, and some other quality players.

With that kind of draft, a new center (i.e. the mauling Titans' center Hartwig), and a new blocking tight end, our roster would be so, so sweet.

My revised ideal 2005 starting roster:

QB- Ramsey
HB- Portis
H-back- Cooley
LT- Samuels
LG- Dockery
C- Hartwig (via free agency)
RG- Thomas
RT- Jansen
TE- ??? (offseason acquisition)
WR- Coles
WR- Williams (via first draft pick)

RE- ???
DT- Griffin
DT- Noble
LE- Wynn
OLB- Arrington
OLB- Washington
MLB- Pierce
CB- Springs
CB- Harris
FS- Taylor
SS- Bowen/Lott/Clark

[SmootSmack]

Interesting you mention the Chargers RF. With Marty there it seems like a possible destination for both Gardner and Smoot. I wonder if maybe packaging them together is a possibility

[offiss]

I can't get rid of Gardner fast enough, I don't see a team giving up their only second rd pick for him, they could offer a second if a team has multiple 2nd rd pick's his salary might make it possible, San Diego is a definent possibility, I could see Gruden going after him as well we would be sitting pretty come draft day if we could manage a 2nd for him but my guess will be more like a 3rd. If Smoot want's to break the bank then I say we get a late first for him if we can't get that much for him then he obviously isn't worth the asking price, as well I just feel Smoot is overestimating himself and not just to us he will find out if he seek's a deal else where that the offer's aren't near what he want's. If he stay's great, but if he goes we should be able to get a late first for him, that would give us a lot of ammo for the up coming draft.

[Big C]

if someone will give up a 2nd rounder for AJ feeley, someone will give up a 2nd rounder for gardner. hes actually done a little something in his career.

[Winskins]

a think a team that is lacking a big play receiver might pick up gardner, because as sketchy as he is dependability-wise, he can still make big plays when given the chance. I say the Chargers would likely give up a second rounder for him.

[jamf]

we are not going to get anything for smoot. the skins arent going to Ftag him.

i think gardner will get traded to atlanta. if he does, he will be a 1200yrd receiver next year.

but thats just my opinion.

i think its a bad idea to draft a WR. the skins need an Olineman and a 2 defensive ends.

there are no clear choice blue chip WR in this years draft. they all have major faults.


Mike WIlliams is a terrible choice at the 9 spot. williams is alot like keyshon johnson, a big solid SLOW possesion receiver. remember keyshon was drafted 1st overall by the jets out of usc. is isnt worth the first overall pick or even a 9th. williams wont be able to get seperation down field. not a great talent if you ask me.

if you want a possesion receiver, start McCants. he has proven he can play(well atleast in the redzone).

if you want a potential playmaker, start jacobs. he seems to have alot of talent.

lets not forget about thrash, he is solid as a #2 wr.
plus, all those guys are getting paid regardless and we dont use a pick on them.

[bedlamVR]

I agree we have effectivly drafted a WR with our top picks so many times in the last few years Gardner, Coles and Taylor. We have other needs I would rather trade down and pick up a DE like Pollock or Spears. We have not spent a pick on the DL for too long and need some real tallent there . Williams schems have disgised the weakness before but opposing teams have a year load of tapes to disect those schemes .

As for Gardner I think we will struggle to get a good third simply because I don't think their are enough teams with the need for a solid No.2 ... Only the Chargers and Bucs seem to be in the frame right now.

[GoSkins!]

If they are looking to trade Gardner, it means they believe they can do better in the draft. I think what we will see is Gardner goes, we try to pick up a receiver through free agency, if we don't, the 9th pick goes to a receiver.
I have a feeling that Gibbs may be very picky in the free agent market given that the only receivers that may be out there are going to be number 2 guys. He has that now.
I'm looking for Jacobs to move to the number two spot (pending) and Gibbs drafts a WR in the first and hopes for a homerun.
Personally, Coles, Thrash, Jacobs, Cooley provide some pretty good options for the passing game. I can see why Gardner is easily the odd man out.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Just a couple of comments:

If Gardner is "as good as gone" I'd like to remind him not to let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.


Winskins:

If a team trades for Gardner because they don't have a big play receiver, they will still be without a big play receiver.


BigC:

Prior to Feeley going to Miami, he had four starts in the NFL and had won all of them. That's how he commanded a 2nd round pick from a team in need of a QB. How many games has Gardner won by his feats on the field. I recall one back in his rookie year when he caught a bomb to beat somebody in the final minutes or maybe in OT. Was it the Chargers? Since then?

[Redskinsfaninnola]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Just a couple of comments:

If Gardner is "as good as gone" I'd like to remind him not to let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.


Winskins:

If a team trades for Gardner because they don't have a big play receiver, they will still be without a big play receiver.


BigC:

Prior to Feeley going to Miami, he had four starts in the NFL and had won all of them. That's how he commanded a 2nd round pick from a team in need of a QB. How many games has Gardner won by his feats on the field. I recall one back in his rookie year when he caught a bomb to beat somebody in the final minutes or maybe in OT. Was it the Chargers? Since then?

OOPS sorry replied to wrong one.

[Redskinsfaninnola]

Actually it was his Roookie year the 6th game of the Schotty era when they were 0-5 Arringotn had a pick ran back for a td. It was against Carolina. Gardner had like 208 yds. Still his career high. He caught the pass for a TD to tie the game and make it go to OT. Then Caught a Bomb not quite enough for the TD to like the 2 or 3 yd line. then we went ahead and Kicked the FG for the win in OT.

Correct me if Im wrong on this please.
Thank yall

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

I agree we have effectivly drafted a WR with our top picks so many times in the last few years Gardner, Coles and Taylor. We have other needs I would rather trade down and pick up a DE like Pollock or Spears. We have not spent a pick on the DL for too long and need some real tallent there . Williams schems have disgised the weakness before but opposing teams have a year load of tapes to disect those schemes .

As for Gardner I think we will struggle to get a good third simply because I don't think their are enough teams with the need for a solid No.2 ... Only the Chargers and Bucs seem to be in the frame right now.

The only effectivly drafted WR by the Redskins out of the three listed are Gardner and Taylor, Coles was made a Redskin when the JETS failed to match the offer sheet, Coles was a RFA when we got him.