Setting Expectations

[HermosaBeach Skin Fan]

Over the past several years (since the arrival of Snyder), the Skins have made a concerted effort to get talented football players and coaches--with varying degrees of success. Each year they've got the next best player coming on board to lead them to the Big Game. See: Coles, Sanders, Smith, Trotter, Wilkinson, et al. While at the same time, we let core players get away: Davis, Kalu, Lang, Davis, Smith, Coleman, Shottenheimer, Barber, etc... The skins are absolutely crapping the bed this year. I can't believe that we let Smoot and Pierce get away! Those we core guys! Signing Samuels was a great step forward, but our player management STINKS! I like Santana Moss, I was really upset that they didn't draft him before Gardner, but look what they gave up to get him! And, while Gardner isn't great, he's worth more than a 4th round draft pick, in my opinion. They better do some magic in the draft. I thought by keeping Smoot, they'd be able to go after a top notch WR, but now they need a corner too. My expectations are already set this year, and they aren't good.

[Krills]

Where did you hear that we got a 4th rounder for Gardner? I was hoping for atleast a 3rd.

[HermosaBeach Skin Fan]

Originally Posted by Krills

Where did you hear that we got a 4th rounder for Gardner? I was hoping for atleast a 3rd.

Didn't hear for sure, just guessing.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Krills

Where did you hear that we got a 4th rounder for Gardner? I was hoping for atleast a 3rd.

Some said the interest for Gardner was a mid round draft pick.......we speculated it might be a 4th..................Personally, I don't think Mr. Dropsy aka Gardner would merit a 3rd............

[gortiz]

I still think way too much emphasis is placed on "player movement" "free agents" What our team really needs and doesn't have is a personality. There is also no culture in the redskins org. The reason for this?? Stability!! Not with players, but with coaches and ownership. There is no plan, no direction, and waaaaaaaaay to much ego.

I bet you anything, even with all the player tranactions above that you referenced HermosaBeach, if we had one coach, one offensive coordinator, one defensive coordinator over the last 5 years we would have a much better overall record!

[BossHog]

Originally Posted by HermosaBeach Skin Fan

... Each year they've got the next best player coming on board to lead them to the Big Game. See: Coles, Sanders, Smith, Trotter, Wilkinson, et al. While at the same time, we let core players get away: Davis, Kalu, Lang, Davis, Smith, Coleman, Shottenheimer, Barber, etc... The skins are absolutely crapping the bed this year... My expectations are already set this year, and they aren't good.

Lang is the classic example of a wust. He, like Coles' and Sanders, had unrealistic career goals. He sought to be reunited with his college coach as if he was guaranteed to win the SB year after year. Kalu who? Smith, Coleman, and Wilkinson, served thier time. Barber was hurt. It's been proven that Trotter is only a pro-bowl player with the team that spawned him. He would've had a similiar tenure with KC as he had with us. As for Schottenhiemer (and Spurrier), isn't that what you, the fan, asked for? Do you remember all the rant about being a boring football team? In comes the high-flying Fun 'n Gun and Davis' demise. Davis was as unhappy in a pass oriented offense as Coles was in a run oriented offense. Give me a legit coach and a player who believes in him.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BossHog

Lang is the classic example of a wust. He, like Coles' and Sanders, had unrealistic career goals. He sought to be reunited with his college coach as if he was guaranteed to win the SB year after year. Kalu who? Smith, Coleman, and Wilkinson, served thier time. Barber was hurt. It's been proven that Trotter is only a pro-bowl player with the team that spawned him. He would've had a similiar tenure with KC as he had with us. As for Schottenhiemer (and Spurrier), isn't that what you, the fan, asked for? Do you remember all the rant about being a boring football team? In comes the high-flying Fun 'n Gun and Davis' demise. Davis was as unhappy in a pass oriented offense as Coles was in a run oriented offense. Give me a legit coach and a player who believes in him.

I was JUST about to post that.. There are two players who thrived when they left, Davis and Trotter.. Davis had a great year in a perfect system for him but his injuries, which were a concern before he left, have been a factor.. Trotter was a backup until week 9 and then he came in and solidified their defense, but he admittedly didn't play within the system here so how were we to gauge his actually abilities? I'd rather have players that fit the system and play within the guidelines that the coaches set than malcontents.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by BossHog

Lang is the classic example of a wust. He, like Coles' and Sanders, had unrealistic career goals. He sought to be reunited with his college coach as if he was guaranteed to win the SB year after year. Kalu who? Smith, Coleman, and Wilkinson, served thier time. Barber was hurt. It's been proven that Trotter is only a pro-bowl player with the team that spawned him. He would've had a similiar tenure with KC as he had with us. As for Schottenhiemer (and Spurrier), isn't that what you, the fan, asked for? Do you remember all the rant about being a boring football team? In comes the high-flying Fun 'n Gun and Davis' demise. Davis was as unhappy in a pass oriented offense as Coles was in a run oriented offense. Give me a legit coach and a player who believes in him.

Excellent post, BossHog. My thoughts exactly.

Originally Posted by joetheismanfan

We need to be fiscally responsible but with that much dead money on the bench you can never convince me its about fiscal responsibility.... SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT? its disturbing.

It's about FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. Sorry, but that's what it is.

Brunell was a huge mistake. For his sake, Gibbs and co. will never admit that. But they made their bed, and now they have to lay in it. If someone paid me way more money than I was worth, I'd laugh at them if they asked me to give it back. I'm a God-fearing Christian man, too, but that doesn't mean I'm a sucker!

Now that what's done is done, the Skins need to do everything they can to ease the burden of past mistakes. Yes, it's disturbing when you lose key players like Smoot and Pierce-- I loved rooting for those two as much as the next guy-- but the Skins offered them as much as they could RESPONSIBLY afford in regard to the next few cap years, and it simply wasn't enough.

Now they have to do what other fiscally responsible-- and successful-- teams do: find cheaper talent to do the same job better.

That's the name of the salary cap-era game.

[RedskinRat]

You sound like this guy:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar8.html Mike Wise of the WP, telling us we should have retained the players we lost.

I trust Gibbs and Co. to get this ship in order, it may be painful but they'll do it.

[redskinsskickazz]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

You sound like this guy:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar8.html Mike Wise of the WP, telling us we should have retained the players we lost.

I trust Gibbs and Co. to get this ship in order, it may be painful but they'll do it.

wow this guy contradicts himself more than the bible. in one breath he"s saying the redskins should not have let pierce go. in the next he"s saying we arent the patriots and can not just plug anybody into williams defensive system and have it work. correct me if im wrong but i believe that is exactly what we did with pierce.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by redskinsskickazz

wow this guy contradicts himself more than the bible. in one breath he"s saying the redskins should not have let pierce go. in the next he"s saying we arent the patriots and can not just plug anybody into williams defensive system and have it work. correct me if im wrong but i believe that is exactly what we did with pierce.

Yeah, the whole article has 'Burn the witch' all over it, thankfully Gibbs and Co. will hold this thing together with dignity.

[BossHog]

Bring the Pain(train)!

[BDBohnzie]

gortiz, i totally agree with you. if the Skins had some stability over the past 5 years, there would have been a steady ship, as opposed to the rocky one they are currently on.

and personally, i would have liked to see Martyball stay in DC. if you look at the stats from that year, his offense was actually pretty balanced (490 carries for 1948 yards [appx 4 yds/carr] vs. 238 completions on 432 passes for 2716 yards [appx 6 yds/attempt])...and that was with Tony Banks at the helm. i was one of the minority who was furious when Spurrier was hired...

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

and personally, i would have liked to see Martyball stay in DC. if you look at the stats from that year, his offense was actually pretty balanced (490 carries for 1948 yards [appx 4 yds/carr] vs. 238 completions on 432 passes for 2716 yards [appx 6 yds/attempt])...and that was with Tony Banks at the helm. i was one of the minority who was furious when Spurrier was hired...

this is a totally different discussion for a totally different post but I think if marty was still around we would be in a pretty good position right now. Not say St. Joe isn't going to get us there...

[monk81]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

gortiz, i totally agree with you. if the Skins had some stability over the past 5 years, there would have been a steady ship, as opposed to the rocky one they are currently on.

and personally, i would have liked to see Martyball stay in DC. if you look at the stats from that year, his offense was actually pretty balanced (490 carries for 1948 yards [appx 4 yds/carr] vs. 238 completions on 432 passes for 2716 yards [appx 6 yds/attempt])...and that was with Tony Banks at the helm. i was one of the minority who was furious when Spurrier was hired...

I wasn't happier about the Spurrier hire either........that was one of Snyder's
"sexy" signings that failed................ That's why I think with Joe and charge we just have to have some patience he will make sure the organization gets on the right track..........