Terri Schiavo

Gmanc711 · 03-23-2005, 08:12 PM

I'm just wondering what you guys think of this whole thing? Its really one of the saddest situations I have ever heard of. I really dont even know which side I'm on; I understand both sides of the story. However, I think its rediculous that a court gets to decide if this woman lives or dies. I'm just throwing it out there too see what peoples thoughts are on this?

SmootSmack · 03-23-2005, 08:17 PM

I've been wondering all day whether to post a thread on this. It's such a sensitive topic. I'm really torn on it but as you say why should the court be the ones to decide this

redrock-skins · 03-23-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I've been wondering all day whether to post a thread on this. It's such a sensitive topic. I'm really torn on it but as you say why should the court be the ones to decide this

Its been a heated debate at my Yankees fans website. My only issue is that Bush and Congress (Dems and Repubs) overstepped their bounds by flying back in and wasting taxpayers money to write a law, that may be unconstitutional anyway. It is so hard to pry Bush away from his ranch in Crawford (even during Iraq War), but for Mrs Shiavo he hops on a plane late at night? There have been numerous court decisions on this and yet this keeps going until the one side gets a ruling they like. I don't really know jack about Mr and Mrs Shiavo, the parents, family, or friends, other than what we are hearing through the media. Neither does Bush or Congress, but there they were trying score political points. Between Terri Shaivo and steriods we've had one giant waste of taxpayer's money week!

When are Bush and Congress going to fly back in the middle of the night and fix health care? There's lots of people dying due to the crappy or non-existant health care they are currently receiving. If they are so "pro-life", then really prove it!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-23-2005, 08:39 PM

Yeah, I'm torn too. But, the courts need to decide the issue because it is about Terri's legal rights, her husband's right to speak for her, her parents' right to have any say about her medical care, and the general right to die under certain circumstances.

MTK · 03-23-2005, 09:56 PM

Courts shouldn't be ruling on moral issues and I'm glad they've stuck to their guns.

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-23-2005, 10:51 PM

I firmly believe in what her husband is doing. He's the person who is supposed to know her wishes on this type of matter the best and seems to be carrying them out. I know if I were in the place of this poor woman, I would hope that my family would do what I wish and let me go. Don't let me suffer or make those that I love suffer by having to see me like that and have to take care of me both mentally and emotionally but also financially. I can easily understand both sides of this situation, but every doctor involved in this case has said there is practically no chance at all for any type of recovery from her brain damage. The courts should not be getting involved in this decision and politicians should not be using this woman's suffering as a way to appease their constituents.
Sometimes it amazes me how fearful some extremely religious people are so afraid of a loved one being let go and passing on.

FRPLG · 03-24-2005, 10:54 AM

Life is precious and we as humans don't haev the right to extinguish it. Ms. Schiavo had no living will and therefore it is basically Mr. Schiavo's word versus the parents. In that case since we cannot know beyond all doubt her intentions we cannot morally allow this woman to starve to death. It is sad that it has come to this.

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Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Sometimes it amazes me how fearful some extremely religious people are so afraid of a loved one being let go and passing on.

I am probably not the only one who finds this statement overtly offensive. First off are we even sure the Schindler's are strongly religious? I am not sure whether they are or aren't but either way it is irrelevant. The foundation for one's opinion on this type of issue doesn't have any relevance upon the validity of said opinion. They are her parents and they honestly don't feel that they should let her be killed by starvation. Why should they? The woman isn't suffering in her current life style so depriving her of food is killing her.

Your statement insinuates something negative about people who have strong religious values. Whish is woefully misguided. You are entitled to believe what you want but don't belittle someone else's beliefs. Just because these so called "extremely religous people" value life unconditionally doesn't mean they are "fearful". They respect life and believe you, I and they shouldn't have a hand in granting it or not.

By the way...I would never in a billion years allow my daughter to be starved to death without her expressed consent to be allowed to die in these type of situations. She is the most important part of my life and as long as she is not suffering I would do ANYTHING to keep her alive. You could ask anybody who knows me, I am not an "extremely religious" person either.

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-24-2005, 12:30 PM

I am in no way belittling anyone's religious beliefs, so don't start putting words in my mouth or misconstrueing(sp?) my statement. Through my life expiriences I have met many religious people who speak of how glorious it is to be with God and that is the greatest gift that can be bestowed upon someone when their time has come, but yet seem to become somewhat hypocritical when a situation arises when someone they know is being taken away from them. I recently had to go through something of a similar situation with my Grandmother before christmas, but because we knew she wanted to be at peace with my grandfather away from the pain, we let her go when it came time to make that choice.

I was just stating how fearful some people of faith suddenly become when someone they love might soon be gone and I can understand them not wanting her to go or go suffering, but if they are as devote in their faith as they claim, why are they so reluctant to let her be at peace? I'm in no way trying to start a religious argument or trying to "belittle" anyone's beliefs so don't make it out to be that I was. I am sorry if I offended anyone with my previous statement but that was not my intent, it was just a statement of life events that I have personally witnessed.

Daseal · 03-23-2005, 11:06 PM

I agree with skinsfanthru&thru!

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-23-2005, 11:24 PM

They are also the same ones against stem cell research... VERY hypocritical.

NY_Skinsfan · 03-23-2005, 11:25 PM

What I don't like about this situation is how the media is handling it...they make each side look bad. The husband is just out for the insurance money or the parents are too afraid to let go. Also, when the media keeps saying that without the feeding tube she is "starving to death", the media fails to mention that the doctors are doing everything they can to hydrate her and medicate her so that she does not feel the same effects as someone who is stuck in the middle of the desert with no food and water for two weeks. The media needs to step away from this one and let the families deal with it. I believe without all the media attention, the courts would not be as involved or neither would the President.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-23-2005, 11:33 PM

I might not be that informed on this subject, but isn't this the same type of situation as something "pulling the plug"??

cpayne5 · 03-23-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I might not be that informed on this subject, but isn't this the same type of situation as something "pulling the plug"??

No, 'pulling the plug' normally results in a near immediate death as the patient is being kept alive artificially on machines. Ms. Schindler-Shiavo's condition is more self sustaining than that. Her body is able to keep all the required organs working in order to maintain life. She cannot, though, feed herself and has a feeding tube surgically implanted through her abdomen. When they pull the plug in her case, she will starve to death.

I can understand all sides in this situation, believe it or not. Mr. Shiavo wants to move on with his life and carry out what he feels is his wife's unwritten living will by letting her die. The Schindler family wants to keep her alive in belief that she can make progress given proper treatment and therapy. I would imagine that their position also rests on the fact that it is very hard to 'give up and let go'.

It is a very hard decision, no matter which opinion you side with.

NY_Skinsfan · 03-23-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

No, 'pulling the plug' normally results in a near immediate death as the patient is being kept alive artificially on machines. Ms. Schindler-Shiavo's condition is more self sustaining than that. Her body is able to keep all the required organs working in order to maintain life. She cannot, though, feed herself and has a feeding tube surgically implanted through her abdomen. When they pull the plug in her case, she will starve to death.

I can understand all sides in this situation, believe it or not. Mr. Shiavo wants to move on with his life and carry out what he feels is his wife's unwritten living will by letting her die. The Schindler family wants to keep her alive in belief that she can make progress given proper treatment and therapy. I would imagine that their position also rests on the fact that it is very hard to 'give up and let go'.

It is a very hard decision, no matter which opinion you side with.

Right now I am swaying towards Mr. Shiavo's side but if this were my daughter I would probably be the other way around. I don't think I could ever let my daughter just die. In fact, I know I would never let my daughter die if there was even the tiniest bit of hope.

BigSKINBauer · 03-31-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NY_Skinsfan

Right now I am swaying towards Mr. Shiavo's side but if this were my daughter I would probably be the other way around. I don't think I could ever let my daughter just die. In fact, I know I would never let my daughter die if there was even the tiniest bit of hope.

i see what your saying, i am upset that i didn't see this thread till today and after she is dead but i still think it is nessasary to talk about it. I could never do this to a family member, but i can easily say she has the right to die, maybe a step back from an outside perspective is needed. I just wanted a little more time, a little more debate. i wish there was a way that they could have talked about it before it happened. Not to be insensitive but it could be done any time, now or 6 months from now i just think they should have talked about it a little more, but then again she was like this for 13 years and i am sure the family debated before. it is such a touchy issue

03-23-2005, 08:12 PM	#1
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Terri Schiavo I'm just wondering what you guys think of this whole thing? Its really one of the saddest situations I have ever heard of. I really dont even know which side I'm on; I understand both sides of the story. However, I think its rediculous that a court gets to decide if this woman lives or dies. I'm just throwing it out there too see what peoples thoughts are on this? __________________ #21

03-23-2005, 08:17 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Terri Schiavo I've been wondering all day whether to post a thread on this. It's such a sensitive topic. I'm really torn on it but as you say why should the court be the ones to decide this __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-23-2005, 08:39 PM	#4
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Terri Schiavo Yeah, I'm torn too. But, the courts need to decide the issue because it is about Terri's legal rights, her husband's right to speak for her, her parents' right to have any say about her medical care, and the general right to die under certain circumstances.

03-23-2005, 09:56 PM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Terri Schiavo Courts shouldn't be ruling on moral issues and I'm glad they've stuck to their guns. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-23-2005, 10:51 PM	#6
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	Re: Terri Schiavo I firmly believe in what her husband is doing. He's the person who is supposed to know her wishes on this type of matter the best and seems to be carrying them out. I know if I were in the place of this poor woman, I would hope that my family would do what I wish and let me go. Don't let me suffer or make those that I love suffer by having to see me like that and have to take care of me both mentally and emotionally but also financially. I can easily understand both sides of this situation, but every doctor involved in this case has said there is practically no chance at all for any type of recovery from her brain damage. The courts should not be getting involved in this decision and politicians should not be using this woman's suffering as a way to appease their constituents. Sometimes it amazes me how fearful some extremely religious people are so afraid of a loved one being let go and passing on.

03-24-2005, 12:30 PM	#8
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	Re: Terri Schiavo I am in no way belittling anyone's religious beliefs, so don't start putting words in my mouth or misconstrueing(sp?) my statement. Through my life expiriences I have met many religious people who speak of how glorious it is to be with God and that is the greatest gift that can be bestowed upon someone when their time has come, but yet seem to become somewhat hypocritical when a situation arises when someone they know is being taken away from them. I recently had to go through something of a similar situation with my Grandmother before christmas, but because we knew she wanted to be at peace with my grandfather away from the pain, we let her go when it came time to make that choice. I was just stating how fearful some people of faith suddenly become when someone they love might soon be gone and I can understand them not wanting her to go or go suffering, but if they are as devote in their faith as they claim, why are they so reluctant to let her be at peace? I'm in no way trying to start a religious argument or trying to "belittle" anyone's beliefs so don't make it out to be that I was. I am sorry if I offended anyone with my previous statement but that was not my intent, it was just a statement of life events that I have personally witnessed.

03-23-2005, 11:06 PM	#9
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Terri Schiavo I agree with skinsfanthru&thru!

03-23-2005, 11:24 PM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Terri Schiavo They are also the same ones against stem cell research... VERY hypocritical. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-23-2005, 11:25 PM	#11
NY_Skinsfan Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Albany, NY Age: 52 Posts: 838	Re: Terri Schiavo What I don't like about this situation is how the media is handling it...they make each side look bad. The husband is just out for the insurance money or the parents are too afraid to let go. Also, when the media keeps saying that without the feeding tube she is "starving to death", the media fails to mention that the doctors are doing everything they can to hydrate her and medicate her so that she does not feel the same effects as someone who is stuck in the middle of the desert with no food and water for two weeks. The media needs to step away from this one and let the families deal with it. I believe without all the media attention, the courts would not be as involved or neither would the President.

03-23-2005, 11:33 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Terri Schiavo I might not be that informed on this subject, but isn't this the same type of situation as something "pulling the plug"?? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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