who we gonna get?

[BigSKINBauer]

Who we gonna draft? i see that we have a lot of opinions in a lot of places and i would just like a centered place of thought.

[VishsSkins]

I think we should draft a CB. Williams or Edwards probly wont be available and eventhough CBs might not usually perform great in their rookie seasons, in 2 yrs or so we should have a very solid backfield. A guy like Pacman will definitely eat up any receivers thrown at him in the future and with springs aging a bit, a CB would be a good way to go. LB Derrick Johnson is also a great option but he might not be around by the time we get to pick. If these two are not there for us, trading down would be our best option since we could pick up two solid guys such as Williamson, Matt Jones, or even TE Heath Miller.

[offiss]

Given our cap situation this year the logical call would be to start dealing down, I am very happy not to know what direction we are going, I said it many times allowing teams to get a read on who and what your drafting makes you very weak as far as picking up draft picks. Teams are more likly to stay put if they figure your drafting a certain player or position, if they don't know you have a chance of grabbing more draft picks and still getting your man. hopefully they can continue to keep their big mouths shut.


With that said I don't know who they will pick but my draft strategy would be to deal down to the middle of the 1st obtaining an early second and draft the best CB available, then in the second I would draft V. Jackson then I would go after a center/guard to backup and groom as a future starter.

I really do enjoy the draft! :headbange

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by offiss

Given our cap situation this year the logical call would be to start dealing down.

Why? You dont' end up paying too much for your rookies the first year. A #9 pick will hardly be a burden on our cap. There are other more appropriate reasons to trade down though. Especially if an impact player isn't available at #9.

[saden1]

We are going to draft a defensive end. you heard it here first and I am rarely wrong. Once I win Matty will crown me...remember you took that bet.

[BigSKINBauer]

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[Redskins8588]

I am not sure what the Redskins will do in the draft, I would like to see us trade down pick up a second round pick, take the best CB or DE with our pick and pick up V. Jackson also. I agree with offiss, V. Jackson looks really good, he has alot of upside, I believe that he will be a very good NFL WR.

[huntz]

Think they'lltake Williams at nine,but if he's gone, they'll deal down maybe using Gardner as part of the trade.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I am not sure what the Redskins will do in the draft, I would like to see us trade down pick up a second round pick, take the best CB or DE with our pick and pick up V. Jackson also. I agree with offiss, V. Jackson looks really good, he has alot of upside, I believe that he will be a very good NFL WR.

true none of us know what is gonna happen but it is fun to speculate. i just thought that i would see they said about vincent on ESPN INSIDER-
(6'4", 241, 4.51) 39 inch leap
They said that he is from a small school and has GREAT top end speed and exeptional size. He has been productive, and can jump and has long arms to snag the ball, he is stronger than most DBs and will outmuscle them.Reliable hands and does a good job catching the ball even if it is not thrown very well, gives effort at blocker but has the size and strength to be dominant if his skill is taken advantage of.
Very bad acceleration, no burst or sharp cuts, he isn't good at running routes, he slows down when he puts the moves on and needs to keep his speed better (CP will teach him that!), Good PR in college but not good enough for nfl w/o elusiveness (SM aka small man will teach him that)

"He had 66 receptions for 1,462 yards and 21 touchdowns as a junior in 2003 and 80 receptions for 1,382 yards and 11 TD's as a senior in 2004" 17.3yards/avg and 22.2y/avg in 2003
NOT BAD!!
Overall rank 71points and position rank of 15
the rank edwards first then, mike williams, williamson, clayton, then roddy white at 5th, reggie brown, parrish, chris henry,jerome mathis(fast mo fo),fred gibson, terrance murphey, matt jones, and courtney roby, and then mark bradley then our main man VJ which may mean he could be around a while possible 3rd rounder, over looked?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

true none of us know what is gonna happen but it is fun to speculate. i just thought that i would see they said about vincent on ESPN INSIDER-
(6'4", 241, 4.51) 39 inch leap
They said that he is from a small school and has GREAT top end speed and exeptional size. He has been productive, and can jump and has long arms to snag the ball, he is stronger than most DBs and will outmuscle them.Reliable hands and does a good job catching the ball even if it is not thrown very well, gives effort at blocker but has the size and strength to be dominant if his skill is taken advantage of.
Very bad acceleration, no burst or sharp cuts, he isn't good at running routes, he slows down when he puts the moves on and needs to keep his speed better (CP will teach him that!), Good PR in college but not good enough for nfl w/o elusiveness (SM aka small man will teach him that)

"He had 66 receptions for 1,462 yards and 21 touchdowns as a junior in 2003 and 80 receptions for 1,382 yards and 11 TD's as a senior in 2004" 17.3yards/avg and 22.2y/avg in 2003
NOT BAD!!
Overall rank 71points and position rank of 15
the rank edwards first then, mike williams, williamson, clayton, then roddy white at 5th, reggie brown, parrish, chris henry,jerome mathis(fast mo fo),fred gibson, terrance murphey, matt jones, and courtney roby, and then mark bradley then our main man VJ which may mean he could be around a while possible 3rd rounder, over looked?

The 1 problem I have with that evaluation is, when I watched him at the combine he cut better than Williams he was impressive for a man of his size, that is a big thing with how I evaluate a WR, top end speed is not as important as the ability to cut and seperate, quickness gets you open speed will get you the deep passes, lets face it neither none of the big recievers will ever have the quickness of the smaller but do they make up for it with their long arms and body positioning? I think both Jackson and William's will. but in taking Jackson we get a very similar player and a CB it's a 2 for 1 situation I say we go for both rather than Williams.

let me add a foot note, Jackson looked very aggressive at the combine I like a guy who is fighting for all he's worth on every play they almost always find a way to succeed.

[SonnySamFrank]

Does anyone line Williamson besides me for the 9th pick?

From ESPN:
Williamson has rare athletic ability, adequate-to-good height, excellent speed and loads of playmaking potential. He's an absolute threat as a vertical route runner and he shows the upside to develop into a premier No. 1 wide receiver in the NFL.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by SonnySamFrank

Does anyone line Williamson besides me for the 9th pick?

From ESPN:
Williamson has rare athletic ability, adequate-to-good height, excellent speed and loads of playmaking potential. He's an absolute threat as a vertical route runner and he shows the upside to develop into a premier No. 1 wide receiver in the NFL.

yeah i liked that about a month ago but forgot and you have showed me the light!, i just think that 9 is a little early, i mean if we could trade down like 3-4 spots but it seems that them chargers want a reciever and are in the exact same position as us, so we can't trade w/ them because they'll take who we want! so that would leave detroit and dallas, i am making no deal w/ dallas so detroit but that is 1 spot, we got to threaten them and make sure they bite!! and them give us a 6th or somin.

Take the guy early if we really like his ability also hope that SF isn't trading with SD

[madisonwm]

"Must learn to gamble less while still remaining aggressive. Mental capacity a concern; scored a 13 on Wonderlic Test." i hope he isn't retarded

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by madisonwm

"Must learn to gamble less while still remaining aggressive. Mental capacity a concern; scored a 13 on Wonderlic Test." i hope he isn't retarded

I guess we are all geniouses, well heres the test! http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html
i scored 15/15 ( i went over by 10 seconds) while Pac Man uptop scored 13/50? makes you wonder--??:confused: but i prolly run like a 6.9 so it evens out
yet i'll be poor when i grow up! and he'll be pushin millions
Here i think u can scedule a real test http://www.wonderlic.com/
and here is the explaination of the test http://www.tblog.com/templates/index...&static=158872

[gortiz]

I think if we can't get Mike Williams at 9, we make a big push to move down in the draft and try to get the flavor of the month Matt Jones. 9th pick is sticky territory because any player there is a gamble. Why would the skins let go of solid ass player like smoot to just replace him with a college prospect that wasn't a sure 100% thing.

I know people are making a big deal about Matt Jones switching positions but an NFL team has a guy on their roster who never played college football and hadn't played any football since highschool....does ANTONIO GATES ring a bell!