McCants: Your thoughts?

[WestCoastSkinsFan]

With all the talk about WRs recently, I haven't seen much about McCants. He worked very well as a redzone target a couple years back, but he sort of fell out of favor last year it seems.

I don't have any tapes, so I can't verify this, but he seems to fit the role of that bigger, physical receiver that some people were thinking the 'Skins were needing with Mike Williams and Plaxico Burress earlier in the free agency period. Could McCants play a larger role this season? To what sort of success? I for one, would like to see him step up and make an impact this year. Discuss!

[LavarTaylor21]

I honestly think he can. He was Patrick Ramsey's favorite target most of the season two years ago. He is a better bet than Gardner at this point.

[offiss]

Well you would hard pressed to find anyone on this board who doesn't like McCants, the problem is Gibbs doesn't like McCants, he insist's it's because McCants wont play or can't play special teams, personally I think there more to it than that, regardless Gibbs so far is not a McCants fan and that's what count's.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well you would hard pressed to find anyone on this board who doesn't like McCants, the problem is Gibbs doesn't like McCants, he insist's it's because McCants wont play or can't play special teams, personally I think there more to it than that, regardless Gibbs so far is not a McCants fan and that's what count's.

I agree that Gibbs does not think highly of McCants, but I think that Gibbs may be in a situation where he will almost have to put aside his feelings/thoughts on wether or not McCants can play special teams or not. Other than Gardner, McCants is our only BIG physical WR.

I just looked on the NFL website and I just noticed that McCants is almost the exact mold of our very own Art Monk.(I mean in size compaision)
McCants is like 6'3" 214lbs, and Monk was like 6'4" 214 if I am not mistaken. Just a quick comparision...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I agree that Gibbs does not think highly of McCants, but I think that Gibbs may be in a situation where he will almost have to put aside his feelings/thoughts on wether or not McCants can play special teams or not. Other than Gardner, McCants is our only BIG physical WR.

I just looked on the NFL website and I just noticed that McCants is almost the exact mold of our very own Art Monk.(I mean in size compaision)
McCants is like 6'3" 214lbs, and Monk was like 6'4" 214 if I am not mistaken. Just a quick comparision...

I agree, exept with or without Gardner he's our only big reciever.

As far as the comparison, monk went 6'2" 180lbs when he entered the league he played bigger than that though, as far as McCants he's defiently bigger than Monk, McCants body type is much longer than Monks as well.

But to compare the 2 really isn't fair because there's really no comparison, McCants hasen't proven he's a clutch, go get the ball type of reciever, whether that's Gibbs fault or not we don't know, but he was raw when we drafted him, but he seemed to be progressing until last season, who knows about him at this point, I personally want to see him on the field he's a playmaker but Gibbs say's otherwise and he makes the final decisions.



http://nova.sportscombine.com/ap/p/a....asp?pid=36272

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by offiss

I agree, exept with or without Gardner he's our only big reciever.

As far as the comparison, monk went 6'2" 180lbs when he entered the league he played bigger than that though, as far as McCants he's defiently bigger than Monk, McCants body type is much longer than Monks as well.

But to compare the 2 really isn't fair because there's really no comparison, McCants hasen't proven he's a clutch, go get the ball type of reciever, whether that's Gibbs fault or not we don't know, but he was raw when we drafted him, but he seemed to be progressing until last season, who knows about him at this point, I personally want to see him on the field he's a playmaker but Gibbs say's otherwise and he makes the final decisions.



http://nova.sportscombine.com/ap/p/a....asp?pid=36272

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/100/91.html

http://www.thehogs.net/History/ArtMonk/

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=248

These sites have him at 6'3" 210lbs and I am sure that is where I got the idea that he was about 214 or around there. As for Monk being 6'2" and 180lbs out of college that may be, but on the his hall of fame page they have him listed as 6'3" 210lbs.

Anyhow I did only compare the two in size, I never compared them as to there abilities and talents. Art Monk makes McCants look like a pop-warner WR. Yeah McCants was starting to look good acouple of years ago, and I do think that he has alot to offer, but he does have a way to go to be able to compare his talents, abilities and skills to Art Monk.

I hope that everyone does understand that I think that McCants is only comparable to Monk in body type and thats it...

[skinsguy]

I trust the judgement of Joe Gibbs on McCants...he knows more about the situation than we do...but I really felt too that McCants can contribute well for us. I do have a feeling though, that our starting trio will be Moss, Patton, and Jacobs.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I trust the judgement of Joe Gibbs on McCants...he knows more about the situation than we do...but I really felt too that McCants can contribute well for us. I do have a feeling though, that our starting trio will be Moss, Patton, and Jacobs.

I think Gibbs knows what he is doing most of the time, but exhibit #1 - Mark Brunell, is my evidence for why Gibbs sometimes puts too much faith in a player's personna moreso than their talent. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, but if you are struggling on offense, why not give someone a chance.

It isn't like he has been arrested smoking pot or DUI (hello Sean Taylor) - give him a shot.

[RedskinsJunkie]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I trust the judgement of Joe Gibbs on McCants...he knows more about the situation than we do...but I really felt too that McCants can contribute well for us. I do have a feeling though, that our starting trio will be Moss, Patton, and Jacobs.

Did you trust Gibbs judgement on Brunell?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by RedskinsJunkie

Did you trust Gibbs judgement on Brunell?

I certainly did! Why shouldn't I have? The man knows how to win championships. Are you telling me that we shouldn't trust his judgement because of the Brunell situation? Because of Brunell, the rest of Gibbs' resume is bunk?

[RedskinsJunkie]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I certainly did! Why shouldn't I have? The man knows how to win championships. Are you telling me that we shouldn't trust his judgement because of the Brunell situation? Because of Brunell, the rest of Gibbs' resume is bunk?

No! What I am saying is even Gibbs can make mistakes and that was a HUGE one. OUr year would have been completely different if Ramsey started from day one. His first two starts were against Philly and Pittsburgh on the road??? I am just saying that Gibbs puts a lot into character and Ramsey and McCants are definitely not on his good side, but both were better options last year than the players that Gibbs played. McCants at worst last year should have been the number 3 WR.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by RedskinsJunkie

No! What I am saying is even Gibbs can make mistakes and that was a HUGE one. OUr year would have been completely different if Ramsey started from day one. His first two starts were against Philly and Pittsburgh on the road??? I am just saying that Gibbs puts a lot into character and Ramsey and McCants are definitely not on his good side, but both were better options last year than the players that Gibbs played. McCants at worst last year should have been the number 3 WR.

That's very very very debatable Redskinsjunkie! The way Ramsey looked in preseason and in the games in which he came in in relief of Brunell, I cannot see any indication that things would have been better. With all of us arguing over execution, playcalling, receivers, quarterbacks,Gibbs' rust; it's plain to see that Ramsey would not have put a big enough band-Aid on our problems with offense.

Not to mention the fact that Ramsey himself said he was not ready to play at the beginning of the season - Gibbs had no choice but to put in someone he felt could run the offense better - but enough of that..we've stomped that argument into the ground here already!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I certainly did! Why shouldn't I have? The man knows how to win championships. Are you telling me that we shouldn't trust his judgement because of the Brunell situation? Because of Brunell, the rest of Gibbs' resume is bunk?

He know's how to coach championship's, where does his creditabilty lie as far as building a championship? That honor until PROVEN otherwise belong's to Bobby Beathard. Gibbs has not proven he can evaluate championship calaber talent, in fact he has so far proven otherwise, and you can start in 92' with the drafting of 1 Desmond Howard! And I will say this, he went far, far, far, out on a very thin limb for Campbell.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

He know's how to coach championship's, where does his creditabilty lie as far as building a championship? That honor until PROVEN otherwise belong's to Bobby Beathard. Gibbs has not proven he can evaluate championship calaber talent, in fact he has so far proven otherwise, and you can start in 92' with the drafting of 1 Desmond Howard! And I will say this, he went far, far, far, out on a very thin limb for Campbell.

Well, Bobby Beathard is retiring as the Chargers' GM, so I say if what you say is true, then Snyder has an opportunity to gain a valuable GM.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think it's more than a little shitty when players don't want to play special teams. However, if someone hires me as a CEO of a company, I don't want to responsible for filing and organizing things when that is not part of my job description. McCants was drafted as a WR, not a WR/Special Teams specialist.

I do think as a matter of principle, you SHOULD volunteer to play special teams, but I don't think that should be a reason for benching. Which also leads ME to believe there is something more going on we don't know about.