Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[KI Skins Fan]

I'll try to keep it general to start with and limit my comments, leaving the comments on individual players to others.

Plus

Defense

Hustle on defense; lots of gang tackling
Defense stopped the run for the most part
Better pressure on the passer this week
The safeties showed up and made some plays

Offense

The run game was effective
Offense avoided penalties and false starts
Moved the ball and scored TD's under Colt and Kirk

ST

Had one long punt return
Covered kicks well
59-yard punt with no return

Minus

Defense

Too many missed tackles
CB depth looked suspect

Offense

Poor pass protection
Too many fumbles

ST

Lost another key player (Hayward)

[Alvin Walton]

No pluses as far as I'm concerned.
Our first team offense couldn't do squat.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

No pluses as far as I'm concerned.
Our first team offense couldn't do squat.

Tress Way baby.

[MTK]

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Willie smith was terrible. Luavo and Moses were decent I thought.

and the schreff play was bad, But rg3 could have moved to his left or step up in the pocket on the play. Developing a stronger pocket presence is part of his development which he was terrible again. He needs to keep his eyes up and feel these rushes

The one play where the linebacker ran free on a delayed blitz; rg3 needs to see this and move accordingly.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Who would have thought that the OL would play so poorly that it would partially mask that Griffin is a terrible QB? Yet he managed to once again show that he is indecisive, lacks the necessary instincts for the position, is a fumbler, and is not durable.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

I am concerned that Kirk or McCoy will not get much time in the pocket if the line continues to play the way that they played yesterday. And this has nothing to do with RG3, the line was horrible yesterday period. No QB can be successful if they continue to play like this.

Maybe having Trent back will make a difference. Having this o-line play well is probably one of the more important pieces for the future of this team. They'll get tested next week against another top defense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?

This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?

Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.

This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.

I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I'm not just talking about last nights game.Since Griff's 2nd yr this has been a pattern.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I am the biggest RG3 homer there is. And I saw him get the snot knocked out of him last night. But why is it, when RG is knocked out of the game like last night, the next quarterback, whether Colt or Kirk immediately moves the offense with essentially the same personnel on both sides?

I mean it's like a switch is flipped, and things pretty much work. Or am I just not seeing it right?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

But why is it, when RG is knocked out of the game like last night, the next quarterback, whether Colt or Kirk immediately moves the offense with essentially the same personnel on both sides?

I mean it's like a switch is flipped, and things pretty much work. Or am I just not seeing it right?

Well its not the same personnel on both sides.(e.g. Ziggy Ansah only played 8 snaps and was dominant vs our OL)

Also the playcalling is different and Kirk/Colt are better rhythm drop back passers then Griffin is right now.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I dont know if either one of them were but since you posted this and Ive been listening to the radio,I've heard people say it was the same people on defense and offense when Colt took over.
I'm sure VY2 wont play next week so we wont be able to evaluate him,but I would bet the line doesnt have the same problems next week.

Just heard on the radio Griff concuss not that bad,maybe he'll play next week,hope so,he needs the reps

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

He appears to have low pocket awareness and doesn't make those small moves well to avoid the rush that others do. You rarely see him side stepping
someone at the last instant, he just stands there and get creamed like he didn't see them coming.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

That is a good point. Maybe the o-line is playing poorly but Griffin exacerbates its more so, tking a unit that plays at a 4 dragging them down to a 1?