The coordinators

[REDSKINS4ever]

This team after 25 long years since SB 26 still hasn't turned a corner!!!! I'm disgusted by the poor coaching on both sides of the ball!!! The failure to adjust on defense and calling predictable plays on offense!

Sean McVay can't call plays worth a damn. Especially in the red zone.

On defense Joe Barry can't adjust to what the offense is doing worth a damn! Arizona called the wide receiver screen ten times and the defense never adjusted to it.... which was the reason why Arizona perpetually called that play. I want Ritchie Pettibon back!

[Bishop Hammer]

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Today's outcome was disheartening but the team has made big improvements...on offense. The defense is another matter.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bishop Hammer

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Today's outcome was disheartening but the team has made big improvements...on offense. The defense is another matter.

I totally agree. This team does sputter in the red zone but they still score points. The D still struggles to hold teams under 25 and that put a lot of pressure on the O. Hopefully in the off season there are improvements made on D.

[metalskins]

Sean McVay is a solid offensive coordinator. Joe Barry can probably be a decent defensive coordinator with more talent on the defensive side of the ball. It comes down to which you want more - a savvy defensive coordinator who can take subpar talent and turn that unit into one that overachieves, or a middle of the road defensive coordinator who has outstanding talent that makes him look like a genius?

Many will go for the former, but I will tell you this, at some point, I don't care how good the DC is, the defense gets exposed. At least with the latter, you know that you have a solid, talented group on defense, and if they are failing, then it's because of the DC and his scheme. In yesterday's game, Barry called the correct defensive call, but the players didn't execute. And when the players did execute, the offensive players made great plays showed they were better.

So, as much as I'd like a genius DC who's coaching outstanding talent on the defensive side of the ball, I'm not sure if we're going to get that. I think SM will focus more on bringing in better players on the defensive side of the ball, and give Joe Barry all the help he needs to succeed. Simply put, defenses win championships, but offenses get you to those championships. So, I think we're about 90% there on offense, but the defense has to catch up. You give our coordinators one more year with better talent and see what happens from there.

[skinsfaninok]

Barry is gone prob.. IMO we have more talent than people think, just no execution

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Barry is gone prob.. IMO we have more talent than people think, just no execution

Don't kid yourself. Only 4 guys on the defense would be starters elsewhere. If they had talent the execution would be there. We were fed a bunch of hype about this group in the off-season and as usual bit. On offense, we can run the table, but not with the defense dragging the team down. I have mixed feelings about
Barry. He doesn't have the pieces yet, but at the same time needs to be way more creative and aggressive in the playcalling to make up for the lack of talent.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

Don't kid yourself. Only 4 guys on the defense would be starters elsewhere. If they had talent the execution would be there. We were fed a bunch of hype about this group in the off-season and as usual bit. On offense, we can run the table, but not with the defense dragging the team down. I have mixed feelings about
Barry. He doesn't have the pieces yet, but at the same time needs to be way more creative and aggressive in the playcalling to make up for the lack of talent.

safety and DT/DE are huge needs asap this OS

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

Don't kid yourself. Only 4 guys on the defense would be starters elsewhere.

Norman, Perry Riley, David Amerson, and who is the fourth?

[SFREDSKIN]

People forget AZ was a SB favorite before the season, has a great D with really good corners and receivers that can rival the Redskins. Lauvao was killed by Campbell and their corners did a good job on Jackson and Crowder.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

People forget AZ was a SB favorite before the season, has a great D with really good corners and receivers that can rival the Redskins. Lauvao was killed by Campbell and their corners did a good job on Jackson and Crowder.

Told u they scared me all week. That team is way better than record says

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Norman, Perry Riley, David Amerson, and who is the fourth?

Norman
Compton
Murphy
Kerrigan

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

Norman
Compton
Murphy
Kerrigan

Baker and cravens also. That's probably it. Breeland sucks ass

[FlyerSkin]

It all comes down to Philly now. If we can't destroy that team, then we just suck and are out of the hunt. We won't get over the hump of being contenders till the d gets overhauled.

[Bishop Hammer]

It's both; a lack of talent and dreadful coaching on the defensive side. There's no way one factor can make an abomination that we call a defense in Washington.

[KI Skins Fan]

This coordinator thread quickly devolved into yet another discussion of players. Let's get back to the coordinators.

Sean McVay bothers me more than Joe Barry as a coordinator because he has better players to work with than Barry does, yet McVay hasn't solved problems that the offense has had all season long.

This offense goes well until we get to the opposing team's 40 yard-line. At that point, it gets progressively less effective until it bogs down in the Red Zone, if it gets that far, until the play-calling becomes downright stupid inside the 10 yard-line.

- We settled for too many field goals last night. Long ones, too. Where are the effective plays inside the opponent's 40 yard-line?

- Why do we have so many procedure penalties, especially in the Red Zone? It's not one or two players or positions that get the penalties. It's interior linemen and tackles, tight ends, and even wide receivers. Who do we blame for that not getting fixed?

- We get a first down on the 2 yard-line. What do you do there? I'll tell you. You give the ball to Fat Rob and he scores. Red Zone 101. But not McVay. He calls a roll-out. It was open but Kirk threw a poor pass and a lineman committed a penalty on the play. That is a lost down and a penalty that should not have happened.

- Later on McVay calls a fade pattern in the end zone to DeSean Jackson versus Patrick Peterson. Are you kidding me? Go down on the field, stand between Jackson and Peterson and tell me if you think that pass could ever be completed. Of course Peterson stopped it like he was shooing away a fly. Not to mention that, in general, Kirk is poor at throwing fade passes.

- Here is another question I'm asking myself about the Red Zone play calling: What is Jay Gruden's role in this nonsense? Does he approve of these play calls? Does he ever overrule McVay's calls? Does he call some of these plays himself? I don't know. What I do know is that Gruden hasn't fixed the problem.