game & refs

[Hail2em]

I'm really upset at this game, for 1 our secondary sucks, for a team that couldn't beat the 49er's they sure put it on us. couldn't get to the QB for shit. our blitzing sucks, and not to mention turnovers once again killed us and you can't leave the sorry ass refs out of this because in the first quater clearly shows he was not forced out and on the 2 pt conversion alstott elbow was down b4 the ball crossed the goal line. please some one respond to this because i want to read what you guys reply.

[Daseal]

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

[Duffman003]

I don't think the refs were that bad today... they can't get every call

[Funbunchfan]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

I don't think the refs were that bad today... they can't get every call

Thinking like that will get you linched after this game I think. LOL

[wilsowilso]

I couldn't agree more Daseal.

[jdlea]

They most certainly missed the call on the 2 point conversion, but if you don't jump they don't get to the one and they don't go. If you don't get torched, they don't get down the field and score. The Skins need to take ownership too, if they didn't leave the door open, this isn't a loss. If they go for juggular and convert on 3rd and 2 the possession never happens. Mental mistakes lead to situations where bad calls could be made. I, personally, think Betts stepped out, but that went our way.

Obviously the call on the 2 was horrendous and it cost the Skins the game, but it really should have never come down to that. That's a bad team we played and a terrible offense and we gave up 36. If we needed to drop more into coverage tehy should have...that was horrendous play by the D backs that cost us this game as much as anything else.

[Luxorreb]

Originally Posted by jdlea

They most certainly missed the call on the 2 point conversion, but if you don't jump they don't get to the one and they don't go. If you don't get torched, they don't get down the field and score. The Skins need to take ownership too, if they didn't leave the door open, this isn't a loss. If they go for juggular and convert on 3rd and 2 the possession never happens. Mental mistakes lead to situations where bad calls could be made. I, personally, think Betts stepped out, but that went our way.

Obviously the call on the 2 was horrendous and it cost the Skins the game, but it really should have never come down to that. That's a bad team we played and a terrible offense and we gave up 36. If we needed to drop more into coverage tehy should have...that was horrendous play by the D backs that cost us this game as much as anything else.

Extremely well said jdlea.
Great effort today by a few guys, but as Gibbs says,'it's a team loss'. OL gets Portis thru different ball game. Secondary doesn't leave peeps wide open deep (with NO help from safety) different game. No offsides on EP different game, DL stops Alstott at the GL right up the middle ( I honestly don't think he got in, but angles were kinda inconclusive) different game. But hey this is the NFL and somedays you get more breaks than others. Bottom line we shouldn't have been in these positions in the first place.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Daseal

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

Disagree. The play call was decent, but we should've picked up the first down on that Portis Run. The O-line has got to help the back pick up that down.

I'm heartbroken by the loss, but some positives:
1. Showed heart to play the way we did in the second half.
2. Giants lost.
3. Should have Griffin and Taylor back next week.

We're even-steven. We had no business winning against Seattle. They lost that one. Tampa made the plays at the end to win this game. We lost this one. Even-Steven, baby.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Disagree. The play call was decent, but we should've picked up the first down on that Portis Run. The O-line has got to help the back pick up that down.

I'm with you 100% on this one. Early in the game someone in the chat room was bitching why did we pass on 3rd and 2 when Portis was running right through the Tampa D. And then when we run on 3rd and 2 the question is why didn't we pass?

What if they went for the pass and it was intercepted or Brunell got sacked and fumbled? That deep in your own territory, that late in the game, you have to play it safe. No matter how boring it is.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'm with you 100% on this one. Early in the game someone in the chat room was bitching why did we pass on 3rd and 2 when Portis was running right through the Tampa D. And then when we run on 3rd and 2 the question is why didn't we pass?

What if they went for the pass and it was intercepted or Brunell got sacked and fumbled? That deep in your own territory, that late in the game, you have to play it safe. No matter how boring it is.

To bad gruden didn't play it safe, oh yea he won though.

Nonesense! Playing it safe is what cost us the game, playing it safe is only another word for playing scared, giving the ball back to tampa was the most unsafe call we could have made, what if we open up the offense like we did the entire game and make a first down? Maybe we win? Winners are not afraid to play to win, losers play not to lose.

With that kind of thinking we might as well take a knee in overtime.

I hope this finally wakes Gibbs up to the realazation that Portis is not a power back, and our line can't power run.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

To bad gruden didn't play it safe, oh yea he won though.

Are you talking about on that last TD drive, when the Bucs were down by a touchdown? Of course Gruden is not going to play it safe, he needs to go for the win. If he had the lead though you don't think he would have kept the ball on the ground?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

To bad gruden didn't play it safe, oh yea he won though.

Nonesense! Playing it safe is what cost us the game, playing it safe is only another word for playing scared, giving the ball back to tampa was the most unsafe call we could have made, what if we open up the offense like we did the entire game and make a first down? Maybe we win? Winners are not afraid to play to win, losers play not to lose.

With that kind of thinking we might as well take a knee in overtime.

I hope this finally wakes Gibbs up to the realazation that Portis is not a power back, and our line can't power run.

That absolutely makes no sense whatsoever.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

Beat me to it Daseal, once again Gibbs hands the ball back over to the opposing offense with plenty of time to drive the field to either tie, or win the game, how many games do we have to play with our defense having their backs against our own end zone in the final minute trying to hold on to a victory? We had a pattened Gibbs 3 and out, Gibbs religously goes to that run when we all know the oppossing defense is keying on it, and we all know we can't run it when we have to, I was yelling not to run it there, and I would have rather had Betts in that situation then Portis if we had to run.
A play action role out leaving Brunell with the option to throw or run would have been a much better call, although we should have been running that play on second down as well. I don't care how many yards Clinton had in the first half or for the year, WE CAN'T RUN IN SHORT YARDAGE PERIOD!

As for the refs, well what does anyone expect? We all know the league hates Snyder there is know doubt in my mind they have given a wink, wink, nod, nod, to make sure anything close goes against us, that call for pushing Galloway out of bounds was IMO not a bad call, but a delibrate call, further more when was the last time we saw such a quick review? Especially on a play that is decieding the game on that 2 point conversion, and guess what they didn't want to see that last replay from the back of the endzone which clearly showed his elbow down before the goal line, and guess what we will get another apology from the league, and another excuse on how and why they blew it, while they try to contain their laughter.


I will no longer refer to our left offensive tackle as Samuels again, from hence forth I will only refer to him as the STATUE, the guy is useless out there, when guy's aren't blowing by him, he's either doubling down on someone while defenders run untouched, or standing around looking for someone while defenders are all over Brunell.

[redrock-skins]

Alstott appeared to be down, but really that was not "indisputable" evidence.

I was watching this game at a Seattle bar side by side with the Seahawks/Rams game. Seattle was up by 8, Rams had no timeouts and 3rd and short. Seattle calls PA and converts and puts away the game (Alexander runs it later for a bonus TD). A few minutes later we have a similiar situation, but played it conservative. With the 2 minute warning coming, that should have been a pass play. There's your game right there. Our defense proved most of the day we could not stop them and we got what we deserved.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

To me, this one comes down to the call to run it on 3rd and two instead of going for the first down with a short throw which would have ended the game if we completed and yielded no different result any other way except giving us more time to drive the field.

I agree with you Daseal 100%. I think that decision to run the ball as opposed to passing it was what cost us the game. Third and three was too far to run in that situation. TB was out of timeouts' had we picked up that first down there, we could have run out the clock. I hate to second guess the coach.