O Line

[wilsowilso]

I've been wanting to say this for a long time. The O-line is not very good. They are average. The D-line is really flawed. Our Defensive Ends are a joke. It's not even something to debate. The lines are the key to this game and we all know it. The problem with this team is the line. O and D. The line on both sides is B-league.

[RedskinRat]

You think they're THAT good? I don't...I think B League would be an improvement.

[itvnetop]

the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

I agree, and what compounds our D line woes is the fact they have to play so many snaps because they can't get off the field. We can't generate a pass rush which enables the opposition to convert too many 3rd downs. Having to play 90+ snaps a game is far too many.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

the difference b/t the two lines is talent... the O-Line is suppose to be our strength, but we've got no playmakers on the D-line. Not sure if it's coaching or what for the O-line, but they aren't playing to their capabilities. but you can't really get mad at the D-line when they are probably playing to the best of their physical abilities. We just have to find a playmaking end in the off-season (too bad we don't have a first rounder next year).

I really think its a combination of things, from scheme all the way down to personal play. It just always seems like one of them is f'n up at one point or another.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I don't think our offensive line has been all that offensive. It's not like Brunell was sacked 10, 5, 4, or even 3 times. Plus, the run-blocking was decent.

Why are people bashing the offensive line now? Because Robert Royal whiffed on a few blocks?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The D-line is really flawed. Our Defensive Ends are a joke.

Hey, lay off the defensive ends. The fact that they have one combined sack through 10 games is just part of the system.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think it's because Brunell didn't have sufficient time most of the day. The sacks weren't there, but the pressure most certainly was.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think it's because Brunell didn't have sufficient time most of the day. The sacks weren't there, but the pressure most certainly was.

I'm not so sure. It seemed, especially late in the second half, that receivers just weren't getting open. The go-routes to Jacobs all failed, Moss got shutdown, and Cooley started getting contained. While there certainly was pressure, it wasn't to the point that Brunell was being "harassed."

Are there any stats available for quarterback pressures?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Brunell seemed to hang on to the ball an awfully long time on a lot of plays. I couldn't see whether the wideouts were getting open (as I was watching on TV), but he didn't seem to be under too much pressure.

So who exactly isn't doing their job on the O-line? Again, I think people are attributing blame to the O-line that should fall elsewhere.

[railcon56]

i agree i dont know where this O line thing is coming from i really didnt see that much pressure....

[BDBohnzie]

With Patten out, max protect doesn't work. Moss gets double and triple covered, and Brunell is forced to look elsewhere. The problem is Brunell is too comfortable with Moss, and has a hard time checking down. That, and his checkdown, Cooley, is starting to see more coverage as well. The guys who need to step it up now are Thrash and Jacobs. They both have decent speed to stretch the field.

The O-Line is doing a good job this year. Dockery is the weak link, but his potential far outweights the mistakes thus far. The entire line can't be all-pros.

The D-Line wasn't built to be a pressure line, and not having Griffin (the only pressure threat) is hurting them. Wynn and Daniels are solid guys, just not great pass rushers.

[CrazyCanuck]

I agree with this thread.

The #1 thing that stands out for me is the difference in pressure coming from both teams' front 4. Every play there's a guy in Brunell's face, and on the flip side, we send the house and get ZERO pressure. It's really starting to catch up with us.

We all know our D line is below average especially generating a pass rush, but I'm more disappointed in our O-line. This is supposed to be the strength of this team and they are inconsistent at best. Not even sure who the culprit is, seems like a different guy getting burned every week.

[Rockinganker]

Seems to me like the O-Line tends to get tired and lazy when needed the most. Week in and week out they give up the big play to the other team. Not sure if Gibbs is going away from max protect or if the guys up front just don't have it in them to close out a game. I tend to watch the games more then once (for fun) but I notice Portis has to bounce and make his own plays most of the time. The D-line on the other hand is a walking nightmare. I could stand back there and throw the ball on this line.


P.S.
The thought of LA coming at me would make me crap my pants.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Rockinganker

Seems to me like the O-Line tends to get tired and lazy when needed the most. Week in and week out they give up the big play to the other team. Not sure if Gibbs is going away from max protect or if the guys up front just don't have it in them to close out a game. I tend to watch the games more then once (for fun) but I notice Portis has to bounce and make his own plays most of the time. The D-line on the other hand is a walking nightmare. I could stand back there and throw the ball on this line.


P.S.
The thought of LA coming at me would make me crap my pants.

It's difficult for me to understand how you can max protect, run two man pass routes, and expect to get receivers open. Teams have been giving us trouble just rushing their front four, and at that rate you have seven other players to cover up two receivers, The odds just dosen't seem to be in our favor. That's why our QB has to hold the ball so long because usually there's no one open.