Official Redskins Off-Season News & Rumors-Part Trois

[scowan]

I still think all of these articles are written by secret Cowboy fans. BTW I think the name "Cowboy" is offensive. They should be called "Ranch-hands". There, someone needs to write an article on the offensive "Cowboy" name.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by RGIII

Explain this Redskins-name supporters...
The Racist Redskins - The Daily Beast

Sure, he's completely wrong on the history of the Redskins for one thing, and secondly, he's made a lot of assumption out to be fact when he has no proof backing up those claims.

I thought every Redskins fan knew the history of their favorite team?

[Skinzman]

The article, for whatever reason, tries to redirect me after 5 seconds so I cant read it. However, it seems that the argument in based around George Preston Marshall, so Im going with that angle.

Doesnt the Rooney rule kind of mitigate the whole owner being racist angle?

The fact that Marshall was the last to integrate his team doesnt change that most of the owners, if not all, were racist at that time. And a fair amount today still are, as evidenced by the Rooney rule. When you have to make a rule that requires non-whites to be interviewed, doesnt that mean that racism still exists today in the NFL. If it exists today, why go all the way back to Marshall to find racism in the NFL.

More importantly, by only singling out Marshall, doesnt that mean that the people using that as an argument are more than willing to justify racism to make a point against the Washington Redskins? Which, in and of itself, is racist.

But hey, dont let racism stand in your way of making an argument against a racist.

[CultBrennan59]

I hate talking about the Redskins name change debate, but since you all brought it up, here are the most important 'new' points/views/actions on it:

1) Mike Freeman of CBSSports wrote a 'convincing' article that has been passed around on other radio shows (such as Holden and Danny), Redskins Twitter accounts and message boards.

Redskins not offensive to you? How about the Washington N-Words? - CBSSports.com

2) A member of congress told the 'EK Show' that the Redskins name isn't likely to stand; and 10 members (may be more now) said that they've asked the Redskins to change their name.

U.S. Rep says Redskins name “is not likely to stand” | ProFootballTalk

Members of Congress urge Washington Redskins to change name - ESPN

3) Mike Wise shows up to RGIII's press conference wearing a native american T-shirt and is standing directly behind Robert so that he can be seen on camera. When fans ridiculed him on Twitter for doing such a thing, Wise said something along the lines of 'I wasn't doing that intentionally, just pure coincidence. If I wanted to show off a native american T-shirt I have much better ones at home.'

Mike Wise Steals ‘The RGIII Show’ During Nationally Televised Press Conference « CBS DC

[SmootSmack]

Well I guess we should throw this in as well

Retired Patawomeck chief says he’d be offended if Redskins change name

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well I guess we should throw this in as well

Retired Patawomeck chief says he’d be offended if Redskins change name

Thanks SS.


The other day on NFL Sirius radio, Ross and Bob Poppa were debating this.

They had Chief Robert two feathers Green on the show, it was one of te first times I have actually heard from an Indian on the subject. After his call there were multiple callers who called in claiming to be native Americans and not one calle the term offensive nor did they care I the name was changed or not. There were a couple who dislike the Redskins, but that was because they were Cowboys fans not because of the name Redskins.

[Hog1]

Maybe we could do a.....provisional ban until the start of training camp?

[Skinzman]

Walter Wetzel was President of National Congress of American Indians from 1960-1964 as well as being Chairman for the Blackfoot Indians. He went to the Redskins office with pictures of Indians asking that the Redskins use these images to help design a new helmet logo.

Here is an article from the Washington Post back in 2002 by Marc Fisher, where he interviewed Walter Wetzel as part of his article. Wapo has made it so the article is no longer viewable (I guess Mike Wise has more clout there than we thought), so you have to view it through second hand sources, such as this one. But I found multiple sources with this very same article. The relevant info is in the last couple of paragraphs.

Indianz.Com - American Indians Among Admirers Of Redskins Name

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It is my sincerest hope as I have feared the appearance of the.....Jay Cutler gene............

???

You see Cutler in RG, or did I misunderstand?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Goat, the pieces about RG II in the story was really not the point of posting article. The rest of it was the real meat and potatoes, but I don't think his dad laid any information in the coaching staff that they didn't already know.

As far as te kid spending time at redskins park and with his teammates all you have to do is read everything written about what he has been doing in the offseason and where he spends all of his time to see that is exactly what he is doing.

I know you read Goat, it's all out there.

Admittedly I haven't read much about how RG is spending the off-season, though the tidbits I see are more about celeb events etc. And you have to give him full benefit of the doubt at this point because he's rehabbing so it's not like he can practice with his WRs/TEs all off-season. But ultimately, that's what we wanna see, right? Especially if he's to become an elite passer (first) and running threat (second), that chemistry needs to be there.

That's all.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by scowan

I still think all of these articles are written by secret Cowboy fans. BTW I think the name "Cowboy" is offensive. They should be called "Ranch-hands". There, someone needs to write an article on the offensive "Cowboy" name.

LOL well played sir, well played.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Walter Wetzel was President of National Congress of American Indians from 1960-1964 as well as being Chairman for the Blackfoot Indians. He went to the Redskins office with pictures of Indians asking that the Redskins use these images to help design a new helmet logo.

Here is an article from the Washington Post back in 2002 by Marc Fisher, where he interviewed Walter Wetzel as part of his article. Wapo has made it so the article is no longer viewable (I guess Mike Wise has more clout there than we thought), so you have to view it through second hand sources, such as this one. But I found multiple sources with this very same article. The relevant info is in the last couple of paragraphs.

Indianz.Com - American Indians Among Admirers Of Redskins Name

Thanks for finding that.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Admittedly I haven't read much about how RG is spending the off-season, though the tidbits I see are more about celeb events etc. And you have to give him full benefit of the doubt at this point because he's rehabbing so it's not like he can practice with his WRs/TEs all off-season. But ultimately, that's what we wanna see, right? Especially if he's to become an elite passer (first) and running threat (second), that chemistry needs to be there.

That's all.

His celeb events are fine with me honestly. He isnt jet setting all across the country all the time, and not putting in his work. If he wants to spend his "free" time that way more power to him.

I would love for him to be spending time throwing to all of his guys and so on and so forth. I am sure if he was healthy he would be doing some of that stuff. Since that isn't the situation then it is hard to get on him at all when he is doing what he should be.

[SmootSmack]

Redskins Fullback Eric Kettani Becomes Navy Lieutenant | wusa9.com

[RGIII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Redskins Fullback Eric Kettani Becomes Navy Lieutenant | wusa9.com

Dude should've had his ceremony here at NOB.