Skins v Jets - Positives and Negatives

[skinsfan69]

[QUOTE=SCRedskinsFan;1126147]Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

And by now we're seeing just how competent Kirk is... Actually he is exactly what we thought he would be, a placeholder until Scot finds a permanent replacement. Certainly all of our staff knows this as well. Patience, yes even more patience is required. This is a better team than a year ago, and hopefully will really be competitive with some depth next year. Whether we have our QB by then is the question.[/QUOTE]

You could be right. Maybe KC is the kind of guy that is better as a back up. Meaning, he's perfect to come in and hold things down for a game or two. Or come off the bench if needed. Basically when he has no pressure on him to perform he may be better in that role. But we're still only 6 games in. I would like to see him get 16 games over playing McCoy.

[Chief X_Phackter]

There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

There are some NFL coaches/execs that believe KC is nothing more and never will be anything more than a career backup; and then there are some that think he has the ability to be a franchise QB. We won't know which one it is unless he is given a chance...to fail or succeed.

Six games as the starter with a team fairly decimated with injuries does not = a chance. IMHO he needs the full season. Then if he is making "progress" - the full off season, and then into next season before he should be labeled as a career backup.

No shit,people are too anxious to pull the plug or jump on the bandwagon.The media has been crucifying the skins for sticking with Cousins,well they dont know wtf they are talking about and have very short memories because apparently they forgot Vince Young Jr sucked balls too and couldnt read defenses.These same people that thought M Mariotta was going to be the greatest qb ever after the first game.
Playing qb for this team and its injury situation is like playing with one arm tied behind your back

[skinsfaninok]

It's not just the progress it's his inaccuracy which is content and then u throw on top of that his horrific decisions during games and it's like a double negative.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Y'all need to stop talking about Griffin like he'll ever play here again. He's on the squad only until someone is desperate enough to take a flier on him. If that doesn't happen, he gets cut. Even the most wide eyed admirers of RG have to admit he was an unmitigated disaster when he played. I mean there was a tangible difference when he was forced out of a game and either Kirk or Colt came in for him.

Hmmmnn, thanks for the update on what me and my'all? lol need to stop talking about.

Its actually too bad because later you actually made some points worth discussing; even though I obviously disagree with them. But that opening...nah.

-Cheers!

[KI Skins Fan]

I feel that RGIII lost his job due to his own flaws as a pocket QB. Yet he has his strengths as a QB, as well. So, I don't think it's time to write him off. He needs to do what other young NFL QB's who have lost their jobs have done; i.e, continue to work hard, support his teammates, and don't stir up any controversy. I think has has done those things. Sooner or later, he will get another chance either here or elsewhere.

Right now, Kirk is getting a chance to claim the job. He has his strengths and weaknesses, as well, and they are currently on display. I don't know whether he'll make it or not.

I feel there is a contractual and salary cap reality that may be casting a shadow on this competition. We know about the injury provision in the CBA and how it could affect RGIII's future with the Redskins. Nevertheless, the Skins can keep him next season, if they want to. Kirk's situation is different. He can be a FA at the end of this season. Looking at those facts alone, it is more urgent to find out if Kirk can be the man by playing him now, before he becomes a FA, than it is to find out about RGIII. Nevertheless, the Skins need to find out if one of them can be their QB of the future.

The Skins certainly don't want give both players lucrative contracts. That would blow up the salary cap entirely. They may even decide to not sign either player for 2016. But if they eventually decide to not keep either one, then they will probably need to see more of RGIII this season. So, the question is: How long does Kirk have to prove he is the man for the job? I think it is probably only about the first twelve games of this season. If Kirk fails to claim the job after twelve games, I think they may well decide to not sign him and to go back to starting RGIII to see if they want to pick up his option for 2016. At that point, they'll take the risk of RGIII getting injured. But I think it is unlikely that they'll put RGIII on the field again, other than in a dire emergency, before they make their determination about Kirk.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I really don't want to get into another Griff/Kirk sink hole.

too late

Originally Posted by 30gut

But I see it differently. Obviously 2012 was without exaggeration phenomenal. The 1st year post 2012 was 2013 and in that year Griffin was a better QB and pocket passer then Kirk.

People forget but Kirk was actually terrible in 2013 and whereas Griffin was merely perceived as terrible despite actually being average or just a touch below. I could post the stats but people should remember.

I think J made the decision to move on from Griffin as soon as he was hired and it wasn't forced by anything other then his on volition. People say Kirk deserves more time and maybe he does, he's already received more time in J's system then Griffin. And I'll admit that right now the team lacks weapons but the 2012 had about the same or less talent then this team right now.

But if Kirk/J get more time and still don't produce then it would make sense to move to Griffin but everyone knows that J isn't about that life.

Just using your logic, IF KC was worse in JG's system at first, and now is better and RG3 was better at first and now is worse, then why would it make any sense to put RG3 in at any point this season.

in other words if KC has been able to improve, and RG3 has shown regression, why would you change back to RG3?

[Meks]

I cant even stomach the posts here sometimes after losses lol... im not sold on pulling the plug on cousins.... i am however ready to give up on gruden and mcvay... i cant give barry a pass until we try ONE STUNT, TWIST, DELAYED BLUTZ SOMETHING OTHER THAN RUSHING 4 STRAIGHT AHEAD PLAY AFTER PLAY AFTER PLAY, NO WONDER WE GET SHREDDED. SMFH

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Meks

I cant even stomach the posts here sometimes after losses lol... im not sold on pulling the plug on cousins.... i am however ready to give up on gruden and mcvay... i cant give barry a pass until we try ONE STUNT, TWIST, DELAYED BLUTZ SOMETHING OTHER THAN RUSHING 4 STRAIGHT AHEAD PLAY AFTER PLAY AFTER PLAY, NO WONDER WE GET SHREDDED. SMFH

I think up until the Jets game, Barry was doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah we got gashed by Freeman and the Falcons too, but who hasn't been this year? You can only do so much, the players need to show some sort of output on the field.

Not ready to jump off his bandwagon quite yet.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think up until the Jets game, Barry was doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah we got gashed by Freeman and the Falcons too, but who hasn't been this year? You can only do so much, the players need to show some sort of output on the field.

Not ready to jump off his bandwagon quite yet.

Yea im not giving up on him, just do SOMETHING lol, we got zero pressure on fitpatrick and he himself gashed us... we hardly ever blitz we never stunt or do anything inventive.... i dunno, it needs some switching up to get pressure imo

[skinsfaninok]

Defense will be fine

[KI Skins Fan]

If anything is likely to doom Gruden and his coordinators, it is the putrid 3rd Quarter performances of this team. The Jets game was the worst of all. It's enough to make one think that they are unable to make halftime adjustments and fire up the team.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

If anything is likely to doom Gruden and his coordinators, it is the putrid 3rd Quarter performances of this team. The Jets game was the worst of all. It's enough to make one think that they are unable to make halftime adjustments and fire up the team.

I can't help but think Gruden is an awful tactician and motivator. There's no excuse for being outscored 46-3. Dude needs to hand off playcalling and tactical offensive adjustments to McVay and let the dude do his job.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

too late



Just using your logic, IF KC was worse in JG's system at first, and now is better and RG3 was better at first and now is worse, then why would it make any sense to put RG3 in at any point this season.

in other words if KC has been able to improve, and RG3 has shown regression, why would you change back to RG3?

Just to point out, you have the years wrong. 2013 was Shanahans last year, not Grudens first year. Grudens first year was 2014. RG3 cant run Jays system and Jay wont change, so I dont see RG3 going back in there. Jay made it pretty clear from day 1 that he wanted nothing to do with RG3 so thats not even an option now. Even if we moved on from Jay at the end of the year, you cant bring RG3 back at his option year salary. He would have to be cut and resigned much cheaper, which I doubt either the Redskins or RG3 would be interested in.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I can't help but think Gruden is an awful tactician and motivator. There's no excuse for being outscored 46-3. Dude needs to hand off playcalling and tactical offensive adjustments to McVay and let the dude do his job.

I agree on the tactical part and the handing play calling off part, not so sure on the motivating part. The team seems to play hard under him. The team is just handicapped with the fact that Jay makes adjustments worse than your below average pop warner coach.