Same Ol' Story

[MTK]

So Offiss what are you saying, are you in favor of starting Ramsey over Brunell??

Or are you just hating on Brunell for the sake of hating?

[saskin]

Originally Posted by offiss

Here's some numbers for you, in 9 games last season Brunell turned the ball over 9 times.

In 4 and 3/4 games this season Brunell has turned the ball over 5 times. Your more than welcome to calculate the ratio and see if I presented the facts, or opinion.

Oh and by the way, Brunell has lost the last 2 games which is by far the most important stat, and both games were winnable, and lucky for him the seattle kicker choaked other wise he would be on a 3 game losing streak because of a late INT in his own end. As I said last week Brunell has squeeked out wins against below average teams, the first 2 legitamate teams we run into we lose.

I will put up a link up for Portis's TD's when he actually gets one.

My lord, is there something wrong? Your not secrelty burning Redskins stuff off the board are you? Brunell has done a darn good job and I'm extremely pleased. Ramsey could not do what Brunell HAS done. Otherwise Ramsey would be out there.

[scowan]

Guys I hate to say this but Rock's fumble cost us the game, while Brunell's fumble just cost us points. The Skins need to convert more often in the Red Zone and they will be OK. But forget Brunell for a minute, and let's face facts, on Defense we have what 1 INT on the season and 1 fumble recovery? Am I right? The Skins need to shorten the field for the offense.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Offiss, this is what you said earlier in this thread.



This simply is not true, and this is the statement we were responding to. He has 3 fumbles in 5 games on the year. 2 today, 1 last week. 3 does not = 5.

Ok, let's look at the argument you changed it to, his TO ratio over the last 2 seasons.

Going back to last year he has 8 total INTs and he's lost 6 fumbles, or 14 total turnovers in a total of 14 games. Fair enough, there's your average of 1.0 per game, but again that wasn't what you said initially.

And frankly last year is looking more and more like a pure fluke, especially considering the drastic turnaround this year. When can we finally forget about last year and focus on this year??

For the sake of the argument let's look at Ramsey's last two seasons, he has 12 INTs in 8 starts and 2 lost fumbles for a total of 14 turnovers in 8 starts, or 1.75 turnovers per start.

Comparing careers Brunell has 120 turnovers in 135 games played, or .888 turnovers per game.

Ramsey has 40 turnovers in 30 games, or 1.33 per game.

Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

[MTK]

The Rock fumble was definitely a huge swing. Perhaps we get at least 3 outta that drive, it definitely changed the entire course of the game. It was a 10 point swing at the least, perhaps 14.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

Sorry, let me check my offiss to english translator next time.

'Same old' means '2 years'... gotcha. My bad, not sure what I was thinking.

[SmootSmack]

If not for Brunell, we probably wouldn't have been in position to take the game down to the wire anyway. 5 TDs in two games, not bad.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

If not for Brunell, we probably wouldn't have been in position to take the game down to the wire anyway. 5 TDs in two games, not bad.

Yeah but what about last year...

oh never mind.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

it's amazing that some people hated Brunnel so much for his play last year that they can't realize this season has absolutely nothing to do with last year. That's why stats stop at the end of the season, cuz each year u r supposed to get a fresh new start. Brunnel definitely needs to learn to keep the ball tucked away when scrambling but his accuracy, his composure, and his feet have kept our team alive this year and as much as some fans love or atleast respect Ramsey, he's never shown the ability to do those things much less all of them. If the running game would help Brunnel out, I don't think there'd be anyone except for fans of other teams coming on here and bashing the team. We're all here to root on the same team, but it's starting to sound like some people want certain players to fail. This is Brunnel's team right now whether we all like it or not so can we please move onto another subject, as long as it isn't the arrington debacle,lol.

[RedskinNation21]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

How could you do that and not cut Brunell? Hell how could you bench ramsey for turning it over, and not bench brunell for the same thing?

I'm not trying to start shit and I agree that Brunell is doing a great job for the most part, but I'm just saying it would be extremely hypocritical to cut cartwright for 1 fumble, and not punish brunell for 2. Even though cartwright's went for a TD, how the hell was he supposed to control that?

Ok, because Brunell has won three games and is throwing for over 300 yards a game and he also redeems himself. All Rock did was run once and then fumble at a critical time. There is no comparison. Bad example...Cut Rock, let Nemo have the rock and the rock can go Find Nemo on the playing field.

[RedskinNation21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Brunell is a HUGE bright spot in our offense this year and his play is night and day compared to last year.

I'm not even sure what some of you are suggesting, are you saying we should now go back to Ramsey??

Turnovers are never ok, but Brunell is playing lights out, a 91.5 QB rating, 9 TD vs. only 2 INT!! By the way he has 3 fumbles on the year, so it's definitely not a weekly thing with him, I know it might make your weak argument stronger to stretch the truth a bit, but let's deal with the facts shall we?

C'mon, what more do some of you want??

I guess for some it's just really hard to admit you were wrong in questioning the QB switch. It's ok to admit a Hall of Fame coach knows more than you, seriously, it's alright!

I want the Redskins to stop beating themselves....thats what I want...Can Joe Gibbs do no wrong to you...Whats up with this mancrush???....Stop living in the Glory Days and come back to the present...Gibbs needs to step up his game too...I know he worships God but last time I checked he wasn't the almighty.

[RedskinNation21]

Originally Posted by offiss

Brunell averages 1 TO a game check his stats.

As far as Ramsey is concerned we will never know will we?

We know Ramsey is garbage..and I agree your opinion is weak...7 days of your comments makes one weak...

[jbcjr14]

Samuels may have had his worst game as a pro today...and when they moved the skinny white guy over on Jansens side, he got beat as well...offensive line was pourous at best and Rock....oh my Rock, wonder if he will apologoize in his web blog or something because that was definately a game breaker.

[gibbsisback]

I think they should Nehemiah Broughton a few carries. He kicked butt in preseason

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

I'm sorry, but that is a bunch of BS! Are you completely ignoring the fact that the defense allowed Priest Holmes to catch a screen pass and run to the opposite side of the field AND run all the way for TD? How is that Brunell's fault? One of Brunell's fumbles, the first one, was not his fault. Furthermore, he fumbled deep in KC's territory. And the defense couldn't stop KC from going down field and scoring a field goal. The fact of the matter is, you can't see the forest from the trees, and the easiest thing for you to do is to blame Brunell knowing good and well it wasn't his fault.