Sean Taylor Spitting Video (merged)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I guess you touched on the fundamental difference in our arguments, it's probably the difference that is at the heart of our disagreement.

I personally don't feel that society's unspoken rules should have any place on the football field, or in the courtroom. These unspoken rules are usually driven by the way people feel about things. If people could rationalize these feelings, these rules would not need to go unspoken, they could be written down as laws or as rules in the NFL rulebook. But people have a hard time rationalizing why these unspoken rules are in place, and thus, remain as unwritten social norms and mores.

You seem to feel like these rules are applicable. I personally can't understand how applying rules based on feelings is objective, but this is the kind of thing we're never going to agree on, so we might as well agree to disagree. We'll never get anywhere with a fundamental disagreement like this one. It may have gotten animated, but you should know that I enjoyed the discussion because I found it stimulating.

Luckily, Taylor's ejection did not hurt the Redskins since they still won, and ultimately the team is what I care about most, and I think you will agree with me on that one. No matter how gross that loogie was, we've both said we still want him on the Skins, despite that act. And I guess that's the only common ground we can come to on a dispute like this. But luckily, it's the common ground that really matters.

Let's save the discussion of the need and importance of social norms for another day.

At least we got to the heart of the matter while staying relatively civil.

I still think you're a homer!

j/k

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Schneed,

It would be fine to argue that the league should not have "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalties and therefore the spitting incident should not have been punished. That would be fine, although I would disagree with it. But, you cannot honestly be saying that spitting on another player doesn't constitute "unsportsmanlike conduct." It's a rule that is in the NFL rulebook and I think for good reason. I don't want to see the NFL turn into another classless sport.

BTW-I also agree with the uniform fines as I think teams should be UNIFORM, not a bunch of idiots wearing similar color schemes but dressed in their own clothes.

Yeah definitely. Spitting should be flagged 15 yards for unsportsmanlike.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I don't know why people are blowing this so out of proportion. Taylor is an Asshole. O well, he still a great player, and makes a huge difference for us. Sometimes you need a nasty asshole on your team to itimidate the other team

I'm still a Sean Taylor fan

I agree you need a nasty jerk in the backfield on defense. But, not one who gives the other team a 1st down when they were 4th and 15 or who gets ejected in a playoff game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's save the discussion of the need and importance of social norms for another day.

At least we got to the heart of the matter while staying relatively civil.

I still think you're a homer!

j/k

LOL. Don't get me wrong, I'd be VERY happy if Roy Williams got ejected for spitting on Ladell Betts. But I wouldn't agree with the call.

In the Taylor case, I was both VERY unhappy and in disagreement at the same time. Which made for a very angry Schneed10.

(When he was ejected, my wife decided my outburst was the last straw in a series of very animated outbursts, and she went out to get a bite to eat. My dog simultaneously ran to her cage in fear. I had to console the dog for a good 30 minutes after the game to convince her that I wasn't upset at her LOL)

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I agree you need a nasty jerk in the backfield on defense. But, not one who gives the other team a 1st down when they were 4th and 15 or who gets ejected in a playoff game.

I think you have to take the good with the bad. Those "nasty jerks" are going to do this on occasion. I am willing to live with it as long as it isn't a weekly affair. But I'd rather he just off and beat the hell out of the f*&^er. At least then other players realize he's a badass who'll kick your nuts off if given the chance. Spitting just makes him look like he's 5 years old. Nothing to gain fom it.

[Beat the Cowboys]

Taylor is a great player, but what a jerk. It's too bad that GW vouched for that .......

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In my book, spitting is worse than throwing a punch because it's such a total lack of class and sportsmanship.

In the heat of the battle, punches will fly on occassion and to me that's much more understandable than someone resorting to the punk-ass action of spitting at someone.

I can still respect someone who gets heated and throws a punch. But someone who spits I just lose all respect for.

Now don't get me wrong, I still think ST is a heck of a player and I'd rather have him on our side, but in the end he's a punk with alot of growing up to do. He could have cost his team the game, and that's a very selfish and immature thing to do.

I respect your opinion but I see it pretty much the opposite.

Yes, spitting is disgusting - but it amounts to nothing more than an immature lack of respect in my book. Throwing punches, or worse, something like Marcus Vick stomping down on the calf of an opponent is far worse.

Just my opinion and I'm sure many disagree - I just feel that violence and a clear intent to inflict serious bodily injury on someone is far worse than hocking some spit which is just gross.

What further compounds the whole Taylor situation is that he lied about it. Somebody doing something like that in the heat of the moment is bad enough and shows a lack of control and discipline. Lying about it straight to both your coaches, your team and the entire country shows an utter lack of character.

[RunRunPass]

I herd bout this video one some gay WJFK show. I looked for it but i knew all i had to do was come and here and it would be here. Man that sucks its so unfortunate. DISTRACTION!! EXACTLY WAHT WE DONT NEED.

[mheisig]

Just a shade off topic here, but can anyone tell me where the fine money goes? I mean players get fined on a regular basis and over the course of the season I'm sure it adds up to millions. What does the NFL do with the money?

[RunRunPass]

[QUOTE=mheisig]I respect your opinion but I see it pretty much the opposite.

Yes, spitting is disgusting - but it amounts to nothing more than an immature lack of respect in my book. Throwing punches, or worse, something like Marcus Vick stomping down on the calf of an opponent is far worse."

In the football sense i don think its anyworse because they all yeild the same concequnces. Getting thrown out of the game. That interutps tempo and the flow of the defense

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is exactly my point. Carey essentially felt the act was so disgusting that Taylor deserved to be smacked. That's BS, refs should not have power to interpret the rulebook based on their emotions. Carey experienced the emotion of disgust and levied a ruling partially based on that emotion; that's not rational judgment.

It probably explains why the NFL didn't hit ST with much of a fine.

I tend to agree. I thought that there should have been offsetting 15 yard penalties and an ejection for ST. That would have been the proper way to officiate the play in my opinion. It is not up to the official to determine whether ilegal actions by one party excuse the ilegal actions of another. Basicaly, the ref here applied the "two wrongs make a right" rule. Absurd...

[JWsleep]

THere's something particularly nasty and negative about spitting in someone's face--in football, they're hitting each other all the time. Spitting is a different kind of thing--it's a sort of personal disrespect. I think it's totally appropriate that Taylor was tossed. One the video, listen to the skins response to the ref--he says that Taylor spit in Pittman's face; the skins (I think it's Prileau or Stoutmeyer, maybe (sps??)) say oh! and stop asking questions. I think most players would agree that it was the right move. About the retaliation--hard to say.

My main hope is that Taylor friggin learns from this!!! My god, he almost cost us the game in the playoffs! Can you imagine what this thread would be like if the bucs had caught that pass that got behind our depleted secondary? Wow. He needs to wake up--you can't act like a punk. It hurts the team.

[Stacks42]

I heard that this video on putfile, is a doctored video. I have seen several views and even watched the game in slo mo at home last night, and there is nothing there.

[JWsleep]

Staks--that's interesting. Where did you hear that it was doctored? I, too, wondered that--not the rest of the vid, but just the obvious lugie that you see. If that's the netwrok feed, why didn't they show it? It's crucial and graphic video, just the sort of thing that you replay over and over...

[Hog1]

I like you (except for the dude from Scotland, and the down under guy.......and 5rings) am an AMERICAN. I am proud of America, and the American institution of football. It occupies a signifigant amount of my time. As we all know Football is a violent sport. Sometmes things get out of hand and the violence goes beyond the allowable "play". Not acceptable, but understandable. Take your penalty and be on your way with dignity, pride, intact.

Spitting on an opponent has NOTHING to do with the game. It's akin' to taking a shit on the field of play. Just NASTY!!!!!!!! I mean is that REALLY necessary. To an American (and I am sure everone else-rightly, or wrongly) it is an extreme sign of disrespect. NOT understandable and NOT acceptable. he deserves what he got and maybe more. I have tremendous respect for ST and the job he does. Definately one of my favorite dudes. Let's just say I am pissed off by this. He needs to pay the price for his indiscretion, learn from it and be done with it! Dude needs NO MORE trouble in his life.