Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

Shane · 08-09-2004, 11:38 PM

Tim Hasselbeck provides the spark we need on offense. He has special talents and he is the guy who will be leading this team before very long in my opinion. With the sad loss of Jon Jansen for the season, we will need a mobile quarterback who can get outside on planned rollouts and scramble when necessary to avoid the rush.

Mark Brunell I think is someone who will be able to play at a high level, and I think he would be a very fine starter. But does he provide the spark of Tim Hasselbeck? That remains to be seen.

Patrick Ramsey looks lost out there. He has a tendency to take too long to make decisions, and that is something that I don't know he will be able to overcome easily or soon. I hope he will, but right now, as Madden said, he does not look comfortable leading the team. Probably he will be a very good quarterback at some time, but I wonder if it will be on another team where he can get a fresh start. It is true this would seem to be perfect circumstances with him, but somehow I think the sea change that has occurred on our team this year has left him unsure of himself.

Hasselbeck is the guy right now, and I think he is a Pro Bowl talent.

Redskins_P · 08-09-2004, 11:40 PM

Relax bro.....it's only the first preseason game. He was very impressive, but we still have a LONG way to go.

Gmanc711 · 08-09-2004, 11:41 PM

EAAAAAAAAAASYY Shane. He defintley outplayed Ramsey and Brunell tonight, but its the first game of the preseason. I think he should defintley be looked at, but theres no way he should defintley start for this team.

MTK · 08-09-2004, 11:45 PM

Danny Wuerffel anyone?

He was the MVP in Japan a few years ago, what happened to him anyway?

Winskins · 08-09-2004, 11:45 PM

Yeah, give him the look though. He was playing against the 3rd string D, but made some awesomely timed throws. Hey, you know what they say, it runs in the family...

beg8878 · 08-09-2004, 11:46 PM

If you had put Brunell or Ramsey back there for mop up work, you don't think they would have looked better than Hasselbeck?

I like Tim, but I don't think he is talented enough to lead a NFL team, at least not to a playoff spot.

MTK · 08-09-2004, 11:48 PM

Did I see someone say TH is pro bowl talent?

I'm going to bed.

skins009 · 08-09-2004, 11:51 PM

He did this against the third string D. Good point Matty with the Wuerfel thing. He's a backup at best.

JWsleep · 08-09-2004, 11:52 PM

Nice to see Tim play well, but this is basically a scrimage for the skins, and Tim was up against the third stringers.

But I was disapoitned in Ramsey's play. He got a good chunk of time, and never got comfortable.

Still, it's Brunell, Ramsey, and Hasselbeck, unless something chages radically in the next month.

It's way too early to judge this team or it's players yet.

Winskins · 08-09-2004, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did I see someone say TH is pro bowl talent?

I'm going to bed.

LOL...dang that's rough Matty, but I guess it has to be said. But hey, he had the coolness and the timing down... :headbange

Shane · 08-10-2004, 01:20 AM

Hasselbeck does need to show what he can do with the starting team, but with a better supporting cast I think he may play better. Time will tell. I do think his skills are excellent and with Gibbs and company there to teach him, he will only get better. He provides a spark. He is an exciting player, to me. You need your quarterback to be someone who will make things happen.

I'm a Hasselbeck believer right now. I like what I saw from him last year and I thought he was our best quarterback then, especially in light of the pass protection schemes and Ramsey's indecisiveness. We needed a scrambler then. We may need one this year as well.

Hasselbeck is someone you will see in the Pro Bowl at some point. Andy Reid thought very highly of him. Joe Gibbs is making comments.

I'm glad he is a Redskin.

Brute44 · 08-10-2004, 01:24 AM

First off as many have elaborated on already, this is the first preseason game. You better believe that Brunell and Ramsey will get much much better than what we saw tonight as the preseason runs it's course. They have too because there both fighting over the starting QB position. I believe that Brunell will win it out easily. The main purpose of the first couple of preseason games is to evaluate the rookies and second and third string players. Gibbs will make all the non believers see why he signed Brunell by week 3 in the preseason.

Shane · 08-10-2004, 01:44 AM

I'm a believer in Mark Brunell too, actually. I'm not sure that he is the best quarterback for this team right now. Time will tell.

Our offense hasn't looked good yet in training camp. It is still early, that is true. But it's not too early to look at who is providing the fire and spark right now.

I do think that Patrick Ramsey has too many things he needs to work out to develop himself into a top quarterback. His indecisiveness is a major problem. I think he worries about making mistakes, looking like he did against New Orleans in his second game.

My second concern with him is what John Madden observed - he doesn't look comfortable running this team. It's early, but is he going to suddenly find all this fire and spark and start being decisive before the end of preseason?

Time will tell.

Ramsey has a lot of talent - all three of our top quarterbacks do. I think that it will come down to Brunell and Hasselbeck, however, for this season. My money is on Tim to start before the end of the season.

bedlamVR · 08-10-2004, 02:11 AM

I think it is this indecisivness we started to see way back in the season opener against the Jets where he really strugled in the second half after fumbling following a sack which is why we gave up so much for Brunell. Ramsey has skills but he needs more than anything to belive in himself that has to be the key.

I rember some of the comments about TH when he came in here last year that TH cameinto the huddle two weeks after joining the team and really felt like he owned the team. He has the confidence to lead the team and make decisions and live with them which unfortunatly Ramsey at this point doesn't.

That Guy · 08-10-2004, 02:51 AM

tim has always been good, but last year when he started, it was a NOTICEABLE drop off from ramsey. His play against a 3rd string defense is meaningless. If gibbs starts him 1st string in one of the pre season games (which he might) and he can prove himself there, then such statements would seem better founded. What you saw is that tim is really a solid 2nd string QB stuck with a 3rd string job in washington. He is probably the best 3rd QB in the league, but that DOES NOT get him an invite into the pro bowl, or even on the field... he'll have to prove himself against real 1st stringers AND get on the field before I'd even bother thinking about his pro bowl aspirations.

08-09-2004, 11:38 PM	#1
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team Tim Hasselbeck provides the spark we need on offense. He has special talents and he is the guy who will be leading this team before very long in my opinion. With the sad loss of Jon Jansen for the season, we will need a mobile quarterback who can get outside on planned rollouts and scramble when necessary to avoid the rush. Mark Brunell I think is someone who will be able to play at a high level, and I think he would be a very fine starter. But does he provide the spark of Tim Hasselbeck? That remains to be seen. Patrick Ramsey looks lost out there. He has a tendency to take too long to make decisions, and that is something that I don't know he will be able to overcome easily or soon. I hope he will, but right now, as Madden said, he does not look comfortable leading the team. Probably he will be a very good quarterback at some time, but I wonder if it will be on another team where he can get a fresh start. It is true this would seem to be perfect circumstances with him, but somehow I think the sea change that has occurred on our team this year has left him unsure of himself. Hasselbeck is the guy right now, and I think he is a Pro Bowl talent.

08-09-2004, 11:45 PM	#4
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Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 41 Posts: 282	Yeah, give him the look though. He was playing against the 3rd string D, but made some awesomely timed throws. Hey, you know what they say, it runs in the family... __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

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08-09-2004, 11:52 PM	#9
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Nice to see Tim play well, but this is basically a scrimage for the skins, and Tim was up against the third stringers. But I was disapoitned in Ramsey's play. He got a good chunk of time, and never got comfortable. Still, it's Brunell, Ramsey, and Hasselbeck, unless something chages radically in the next month. It's way too early to judge this team or it's players yet. __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-09-2004, 11:40 PM	#2
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Relax bro.....it's only the first preseason game. He was very impressive, but we still have a LONG way to go.

08-09-2004, 11:41 PM	#3
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	EAAAAAAAAAASYY Shane. He defintley outplayed Ramsey and Brunell tonight, but its the first game of the preseason. I think he should defintley be looked at, but theres no way he should defintley start for this team.

08-09-2004, 11:46 PM	#6
beg8878 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 47 Posts: 270	If you had put Brunell or Ramsey back there for mop up work, you don't think they would have looked better than Hasselbeck? I like Tim, but I don't think he is talented enough to lead a NFL team, at least not to a playoff spot.

08-09-2004, 11:51 PM	#8
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	He did this against the third string D. Good point Matty with the Wuerfel thing. He's a backup at best.

08-10-2004, 01:20 AM	#11
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	Hasselbeck does need to show what he can do with the starting team, but with a better supporting cast I think he may play better. Time will tell. I do think his skills are excellent and with Gibbs and company there to teach him, he will only get better. He provides a spark. He is an exciting player, to me. You need your quarterback to be someone who will make things happen. I'm a Hasselbeck believer right now. I like what I saw from him last year and I thought he was our best quarterback then, especially in light of the pass protection schemes and Ramsey's indecisiveness. We needed a scrambler then. We may need one this year as well. Hasselbeck is someone you will see in the Pro Bowl at some point. Andy Reid thought very highly of him. Joe Gibbs is making comments. I'm glad he is a Redskin.

08-10-2004, 01:24 AM	#12
Brute44 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 62	Are You Kidding Me! First off as many have elaborated on already, this is the first preseason game. You better believe that Brunell and Ramsey will get much much better than what we saw tonight as the preseason runs it's course. They have too because there both fighting over the starting QB position. I believe that Brunell will win it out easily. The main purpose of the first couple of preseason games is to evaluate the rookies and second and third string players. Gibbs will make all the non believers see why he signed Brunell by week 3 in the preseason.

08-10-2004, 01:44 AM	#13
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	I'm a believer in Mark Brunell too, actually. I'm not sure that he is the best quarterback for this team right now. Time will tell. Our offense hasn't looked good yet in training camp. It is still early, that is true. But it's not too early to look at who is providing the fire and spark right now. I do think that Patrick Ramsey has too many things he needs to work out to develop himself into a top quarterback. His indecisiveness is a major problem. I think he worries about making mistakes, looking like he did against New Orleans in his second game. My second concern with him is what John Madden observed - he doesn't look comfortable running this team. It's early, but is he going to suddenly find all this fire and spark and start being decisive before the end of preseason? Time will tell. Ramsey has a lot of talent - all three of our top quarterbacks do. I think that it will come down to Brunell and Hasselbeck, however, for this season. My money is on Tim to start before the end of the season.

08-10-2004, 02:11 AM	#14
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	I think it is this indecisivness we started to see way back in the season opener against the Jets where he really strugled in the second half after fumbling following a sack which is why we gave up so much for Brunell. Ramsey has skills but he needs more than anything to belive in himself that has to be the key. I rember some of the comments about TH when he came in here last year that TH cameinto the huddle two weeks after joining the team and really felt like he owned the team. He has the confidence to lead the team and make decisions and live with them which unfortunatly Ramsey at this point doesn't.

08-10-2004, 02:51 AM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	tim has always been good, but last year when he started, it was a NOTICEABLE drop off from ramsey. His play against a 3rd string defense is meaningless. If gibbs starts him 1st string in one of the pre season games (which he might) and he can prove himself there, then such statements would seem better founded. What you saw is that tim is really a solid 2nd string QB stuck with a 3rd string job in washington. He is probably the best 3rd QB in the league, but that DOES NOT get him an invite into the pro bowl, or even on the field... he'll have to prove himself against real 1st stringers AND get on the field before I'd even bother thinking about his pro bowl aspirations.

Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

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