The Season Is Over

[budw38]

You are 100 % correct . Amazing how we send 6 defenders at the qb and still cannot get any pressure , when most teams have figured a way to get pressure with 4 or 5 rushers ? Too bad we pass on the Tapp's , Canty's Merriman's ,Andersons and Dummerville's every year . Dan should take some of his $$$ and hire a freakin GM !

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Remember the Chargers! 0-4 in 1992, finished 11-5 with a playoff win

Season is far from over

gotta love your optimisim. but the facts are this we lose to the colts. it is over period.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well give some examples. And what would the new structure be? Would Vinny be gone? Would Gibbs no longer be president and have control over player personnel decisions? Would the new GM still have to answer to Snyder?

Lets go back to the days of the late Jack Kent Cooke. He sat in his office and signed the checks. Bethard picked the players and Gibbs coached them up. Yes by all means fire Vinny. See the real problem with Snyder is he is a FAN before an OWNER. That in itself is the real problem. On the business side of football we have a very successful franchise but that doesnt translate to wins on the field. As far as who to get to be the gm. well maybe we need to look into grabbing an assistant from the patriots. They seem to reload every year. But there is one guy out there who hasnt had the best results lately and its one of the first mistakes snyder made which was choosing turner over casserly. Bring back charlie.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

Lets go back to the days of the late Jack Kent Cooke. He sat in his office and signed the checks. Bethard picked the players and Gibbs coached them up. Yes by all means fire Vinny. See the real problem with Snyder is he is a FAN before an OWNER. That in itself is the real problem. On the business side of football we have a very successful franchise but that doesnt translate to wins on the field. As far as who to get to be the gm. well maybe we need to look into grabbing an assistant from the patriots. They seem to reload every year. But there is one guy out there who hasnt had the best results lately and its one of the first mistakes snyder made which was choosing turner over casserly. Bring back charlie.

Ok, going by your plan. Do you think Gibbs would have even come back if he was the coach, and only the coach?

[#56fanatic]

To blame Dan is ridiculous. He gives EVERY coach what they want in terms of players, and coaches. The man went out and gave Gibbs everything he wanted. Do you really think Dan wanted Mark? Everything player, every coach has been by Gibbs request. I would even go as far to say that GW has some say in to two FA we overpayed for this offseason. People forget that Joe didn't pick his players the first go round, he may have had some say, but if it came down to him and bethard or casserly not agreeing, Cooke made the call. Dan is just signing the checks. The man is paying his assistants more than some head coaches, because Joe wanted them! To put the blame on a guy that spends every stinking dollar to try and give us the fans and the city a winning team is obsurd. What needs to happen is bring in a true GM, talent evaluator, and have Danny say NO once in a blue moon. He will never say NO to Joe. He views Joe as a God. like most of us. Dan is getting a bad rap for the teams lack of success. for the coaches getting out coached (tennesse, minnesota) and the players for getting out played (Giants, Dallas).

[The Zimmermans]

Good Post

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

To blame Dan is ridiculous. He gives EVERY coach what they want in terms of players, and coaches. The man went out and gave Gibbs everything he wanted. Do you really think Dan wanted Mark? Everything player, every coach has been by Gibbs request. I would even go as far to say that GW has some say in to two FA we overpayed for this offseason. People forget that Joe didn't pick his players the first go round, he may have had some say, but if it came down to him and bethard or casserly not agreeing, Cooke made the call. Dan is just signing the checks. The man is paying his assistants more than some head coaches, because Joe wanted them! To put the blame on a guy that spends every stinking dollar to try and give us the fans and the city a winning team is obsurd. What needs to happen is bring in a true GM, talent evaluator, and have Danny say NO once in a blue moon. He will never say NO to Joe. He views Joe as a God. like most of us. Dan is getting a bad rap for the teams lack of success. for the coaches getting out coached (tennesse, minnesota) and the players for getting out played (Giants, Dallas).

I definitely agree.

Snyder brought back Gibbs, he gives Gibbs a nearly limitless budget when it comes to his coaching staff, and he gives the coaches any player they want.

Blame Snyder for the past mistakes such as 2000, but continuing to blame him now is just silly. He's doing exactly what we wanted him to do all along. He hired football men to run the team, and he's stepped back and now just signs the checks.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

gotta love your optimisim. but the facts are this we lose to the colts. it is over period.

Wrong!

[DirtBagZ]

I am not really sure of what to say, 2-4 is 2-4, and definitely the record of a bad team. The Titans loss hurt in many ways, and one would think the team would have been motivated after laying an egg in the Meadowlands. I caught part of the John Riggin's Joe Gibb's Show on the radio and Riggo made a comment about, expectations and reality, and the truth of the matter is that everyone in the DC area who is Redskins fan, bought into the off-season hoopla that this was going to be a good team, now we have the reality of 2-4.

I hope the best for the team and want them to win every single game, realisticly though, that is not a highly probably outcome. The team seems to be out of sorts, and there are major problems on both the offense and the defence, I don't foresee this problems getting 'fixed' anytime soon. I guess in part this is why so many people focus on Brunell for it is easier to change the quarterback than it is to come up with a new defensive line, or secondary. Undoubtedly the big problem in the Tenesse game was the rookie DTs going through a painful learning curve, of learning the game.

The problem with the organization is the lack of a Plan B, in that Griffin has had health issues and likewise with Springs and John Hall, yet no effort was made to ensure that there was quality depth at these positions. In contrast you look at the Eagles, and they always seem to have quality depth on their defensive line, I find it remarkable that the basically just dump Corey Simon, a year ago, and keep getting good results. In contrast the Redskins are too 'star' focused in that in lot of money is vested in 'star' caliber starters but there is in adequate quality depth. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the team struggles when it looses starters. Until organization changes mind set, and gets away from 'star' players to Joe Gibb's 'Redskin' players these problems are going to continue. I remember the great teams of the 80s - 90s and those teams were not loaded with star players, after all, the Redskins were one of the first teams to have the fans glamorize the offensive line with the Hogs. The glamor team back then was the 49ers with Montanna, Rice, Craig, etc., not the Skins.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I am not really sure of what to say, 2-4 is 2-4, and definitely the record of a bad team. The Titans loss hurt in many ways, and one would think the team would have been motivated after laying an egg in the Meadowlands. I caught part of the John Riggin's Joe Gibb's Show on the radio and Riggo made a comment about, expectations and reality, and the truth of the matter is that everyone in the DC area who is Redskins fan, bought into the off-season hoopla that this was going to be a good team, now we have the reality of 2-4.

I hope the best for the team and want them to win every single game, realisticly though, that is not a highly probably outcome. The team seems to be out of sorts, and there are major problems on both the offense and the defence, I don't foresee this problems getting 'fixed' anytime soon. I guess in part this is why so many people focus on Brunell for it is easier to change the quarterback than it is to come up with a new defensive line, or secondary. Undoubtedly the big problem in the Tenesse game was the rookie DTs going through a painful learning curve, of learning the game.

The problem with the organization is the lack of a Plan B, in that Griffin has had health issues and likewise with Springs and John Hall, yet no effort was made to ensure that there was quality depth at these positions. In contrast you look at the Eagles, and they always seem to have quality depth on their defensive line, I find it remarkable that the basically just dump Corey Simon, a year ago, and keep getting good results. In contrast the Redskins are too 'star' focused in that in lot of money is vested in 'star' caliber starters but there is in adequate quality depth. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the team struggles when it looses starters. Until organization changes mind set, and gets away from 'star' players to Joe Gibb's 'Redskin' players these problems are going to continue. I remember the great teams of the 80s - 90s and those teams were not loaded with star players, after all, the Redskins were one of the first teams to have the fans glamorize the offensive line with the Hogs. The glamor team back then was the 49ers with Montanna, Rice, Craig, etc., not the Skins.

The way the organization as a whole, Gibbs in our case over the last few years, is not a big fan of the draft. Gibbs window is not as long as it was in the 80's and 90's so the win now mentality is bigger than ever. They throw away picks that could provide qaulity depth at the line positions. They have used the 1st through 3rd rounds pretty good. they finally have selected players past the 4th that can contribute (Golston & montgomery). dont look for that to change. Our philosophy is why draft a guy who will need a few years of coaching when we can add a player who has played 3 or 4 years and contribute right away. That kills the prospect of developing young talent and getting quality depth. We have been a quick fix organization for a number of years. Until our team looks at the situation and says, he lets build from the draft, this is something we will have to live with. Dan will do what ever the coach says or what ever the coach wants (referring to gibbs).

[The Zimmermans]

If this season turns out poorly, do you think gibbs will hand the team to Williams or Saunders? If not, will he at least allow a GM to take control of personnel issues?

[PWNED]

hasnt he already handed the team to williams and saunders? and for those who are starting the GM call again, dont. we just need some kind of better talent evaluation, and it doesnt necessarily have to come from a GM. in addition to that, most of our picks have paneed out. this year has been an off year.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

The way the organization as a whole, Gibbs in our case over the last few years, is not a big fan of the draft. Gibbs window is not as long as it was in the 80's and 90's so the win now mentality is bigger than ever. They throw away picks that could provide qaulity depth at the line positions. They have used the 1st through 3rd rounds pretty good. they finally have selected players past the 4th that can contribute (Golston & montgomery). dont look for that to change. Our philosophy is why draft a guy who will need a few years of coaching when we can add a player who has played 3 or 4 years and contribute right away. That kills the prospect of developing young talent and getting quality depth. We have been a quick fix organization for a number of years. Until our team looks at the situation and says, he lets build from the draft, this is something we will have to live with. Dan will do what ever the coach says or what ever the coach wants (referring to gibbs).

56Fanatic - I am not going to disagree with everything that you said, but those old Redskins teams in the 1st Joe Gibbs Era, were not 100% built on free-agent veterans. Granted the Redskins were probably one of the most successful teams in terms of using Plan B free-agency and landed on of the first free-agents in Wilbur Marshall there was a lot of talent that was drafted. Darrel Green, Charles Mann, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Mark Schlereth (probably misspelled his name), Brian Mitchell. Granted there were busts such as Desmond Howard, and Bobby Wilson (DT Michigan or Michigan St can't remember exactly but a big bust). Still those teams were not all big time free-agent based, like the modern Skins.

Fellow Skins fans, please forgive me if I have misspelled the names of any Redskins legends, I am a terrible speller.

[PWNED]

whats funny is that if we were winning like last year, all these offseason pickups look brilliant. say we just got moss and the team is playing like this, is he a bust all of a sudden? i dont think theres a right or wrong way to build a team. we got two great WRs this year, we just have to have someone get them the ball in the AIR. i think we missed on archuleta, but carter seems to have stepped up a bit even though his run D isnt the greatest.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

56Fanatic - I am not going to disagree with everything that you said, but those old Redskins teams in the 1st Joe Gibbs Era, were not 100% built on free-agent veterans. Granted the Redskins were probably one of the most successful teams in terms of using Plan B free-agency and landed on of the first free-agents in Wilbur Marshall there was a lot of talent that was drafted. Darrel Green, Charles Mann, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Mark Schlereth (probably misspelled his name), Brian Mitchell. Granted there were busts such as Desmond Howard, and Bobby Wilson (DT Michigan or Michigan St can't remember exactly but a big bust). Still those teams were not all big time free-agent based, like the modern Skins.

Fellow Skins fans, please forgive me if I have misspelled the names of any Redskins legends, I am a terrible speller.

Jacoby was a free agent. But beside that, we have more draft picks playing key roles than people seem to want to believe. 3/5th of our starting O-line (Samuels, Dockery, Jansen), our #2 RB (Betts) our KR (Cartwright) our starting safety (Taylor) our starting corner (Rogers). Golston and Montgomery play major minutes at DT (starting out of necessity right now, probably sooner than they should be) I think opening day next year at the latest Jason Campbell and Rocky will be starting. Is Demetric Evans a draft pick? If so, that's another one. Chris Cooley is another one.