Our Problem: Rushing

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-19-2006, 07:02 PM

I would like to see Duckett get the load and Betts as the 3rd down back.

BTW, does anyone know how good Duckett is in pass protection? Maybe that's why he's not getting more carries.

jdlea · 11-19-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

BINGO!!! Portis is probably 10-15 pounds lighter than Betts, yet runs much harder. Betts is a fine backup, and adds a lot to the offense as a receiver out of the backfield, but I wouldn't break the bank to keep him after this season. Frankly, I'd like to see more of Duckett the rest of the season. At least he seems to fall forward after knocking the initial tackler backward. The Skins need to find an identity for their rushing attack. If they want to play smashmouth, Duckett should be the man. If they want diversity and a little more finesse, then Betts is your man. Bottom line, neither are anywhere near the caliber of Portis.

This is what I've been saying since early last year! Betts can't use whatever supposed power he has. Clinton runs harder and faster. For all his size, Betts doesn't even block as well as Portis. Betts isn't a good back. If anyone pays him to be a starter in the NFL, they're outta their mind. He can't be a #1. He consistently gets hurt and pretty much the only thing he can do is run to daylight. He's a slashing style back who occasionally shows a little power, but not much...ever.

I hope everyone who thinks that "Clinton doesn't fit the system" and somehow that Betts does gets to see over the course of the season just how little he can actually contribute as a #1 back.

And, oh yeah, nice fumble, too...

hurrykaine · 11-19-2006, 07:16 PM

Our D has been mailing it in for weeks now. Biggest culprits are on the D-line. The supposed "4 man front" is really a one-man front. If we had a one man D-line with just Griffin, we wouldn't notice much of a drop off in our defensive play (or lack thereof). SalaveA, Carter, and especially Daniels and Wynn have been a joke. Look forward to the defensive purge (along with Greg Blache) this offseason. Hell, I wish Wynn would be cut on the planeride back from Tampa.

Gmanc711 · 11-19-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

This is what I've been saying since early last year! Betts can't use whatever supposed power he has. Clinton runs harder and faster. For all his size, Betts doesn't even block as well as Portis. Betts isn't a good back. If anyone pays him to be a starter in the NFL, they're outta their mind. He can't be a #1. He consistently gets hurt and pretty much the only thing he can do is run to daylight. He's a slashing style back who occasionally shows a little power, but not much...ever.

I hope everyone who thinks that "Clinton doesn't fit the system" and somehow that Betts does gets to see over the course of the season just how little he can actually contribute as a #1 back.

And, oh yeah, nice fumble, too...

Right on. I'm sick of hearing this or that "fits the system". Portis is the only one who has run well for us the last 3 years, he is our man, no questions about it. He is WITHOUT QUESTION our back, so can we just drop anything that has to do with us not having him as our number one guy next year.

MTK · 11-19-2006, 09:51 PM

Gibbs seems to be kinda ticked in his postgame presser, I'm almost getting the vibe he's calling out Saunders and GW. He keeps saying they got away from the principles of running the ball and stopping the run today... and they got away from Redskins football.

Can someone explain to me why Duckett and Betts combined for just 44 yards on 12 carries?? That's a piss poor effort at trying to establish the run.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-19-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Can someone explain to me why Duckett and Betts combined for just 44 yards on 12 carries?? That's a piss poor effort at trying to establish the run.

I agree, but Betts wasn't getting anything on the ground and with a lot of 3 and outs and the defense unable to stop anything, you just don't get a lot of snaps to be able to run the ball. Gibbs mentioned our lack of snaps on offense as a real source of frustration in his presser.

SmootSmack · 11-19-2006, 09:56 PM

Why does Betts only seem to play well if Portis is playing also? For a guy who wants to be "the man" that's no way to get there.

MTK · 11-19-2006, 09:58 PM

My gripe is with the playcalling and the scheme. This outside the tackles running game just isn't working. Hasn't all year. It just doesn't suit our strengths.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-19-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Why does Betts only seem to play well if Portis is playing also? For a guy who wants to be "the man" that's no way to get there.

He seems like an excellent third-down back, but not an every-down back.

Beemnseven · 11-19-2006, 10:05 PM

The line I'm tired of is the "locker room leader" thing. We keep hearing that about guys like Wynn and Philip Daniels, Jansen and many, many others.

Their "leadership" has gotten us nowhere. At some point these 'leaders' have to start making plays. Not only that, what happens when you've got a room full of 'leaders' ? That means most everyone goes in different directions.

There's supposed to be one leader, and 53 followers. That's Gibbs and his team.

This organization is f'ed up from top to bottom.

Longtimefan · 11-19-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My gripe is with the playcalling and the scheme. This outside the tackles running game just isn't working. Hasn't all year. It just doesn't suit our strengths.

I agree....and I said the same thing in an earlier post about the O-line. Plus I'd like to see us be a little more committed to the run. Far too few rushing atempts today. I've always felt our line is better suited for the inside runs, it's what carried us the last part of last season.

EternalEnigma21 · 11-20-2006, 12:41 AM

running outside the tackles can work, but it has to be complimented with something.

betts is an awesome reciever out of the backfield, but he couldn't hit a hole if there was hair around it and it was dripping full of KY.

Cartwright has the best burst of the backups, and Duckett is looking decent when he gets touches...

Hell Sellers could get the call more often if it were up to me... betts hits a line and falls down too quickly....

I don't know if its entirely his fault, but portis is a better runner hands down.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-20-2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

betts is an awesome reciever out of the backfield, but he couldn't hit a hole if there was hair around it and it was dripping full of KY.

Snot just flew out of my nose. Thanks.

First the "D.O.R.K. stats," then "money and boobs" and now this? You're on a roll tonight my friend.

Big C · 11-20-2006, 12:43 AM

of course rushing is a problem when our backs get to carry 15 times the whole game combined. u gotta run the ball even if u arent getting yards, definitely more than 15 total times. feed it to them consistently and more yards will come, and that comes down to the playcalling

bedlamVR · 11-20-2006, 07:07 AM

There was one particular play that I thought was interesting when we got to the endzone yesterday .

We had run from the 5 got stuffed, run picked up a couple and looked like it was another run when Gibbs was running down the sideline trying to call a time out .

When the offence came back they lined up looking to run then called the play action getting the score . i am wondering how much of an input Gibbs actually has on these goal line plays?

11-19-2006, 07:02 PM	#16
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Our Problem: Rushing I would like to see Duckett get the load and Betts as the 3rd down back. BTW, does anyone know how good Duckett is in pass protection? Maybe that's why he's not getting more carries.

11-19-2006, 07:16 PM	#18
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 52 Posts: 762	Re: Our Problem: Rushing Our D has been mailing it in for weeks now. Biggest culprits are on the D-line. The supposed "4 man front" is really a one-man front. If we had a one man D-line with just Griffin, we wouldn't notice much of a drop off in our defensive play (or lack thereof). SalaveA, Carter, and especially Daniels and Wynn have been a joke. Look forward to the defensive purge (along with Greg Blache) this offseason. Hell, I wish Wynn would be cut on the planeride back from Tampa.

11-19-2006, 09:51 PM	#20
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Our Problem: Rushing Gibbs seems to be kinda ticked in his postgame presser, I'm almost getting the vibe he's calling out Saunders and GW. He keeps saying they got away from the principles of running the ball and stopping the run today... and they got away from Redskins football. Can someone explain to me why Duckett and Betts combined for just 44 yards on 12 carries?? That's a piss poor effort at trying to establish the run. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-19-2006, 09:56 PM	#22
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Our Problem: Rushing Why does Betts only seem to play well if Portis is playing also? For a guy who wants to be "the man" that's no way to get there. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-19-2006, 09:58 PM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Our Problem: Rushing My gripe is with the playcalling and the scheme. This outside the tackles running game just isn't working. Hasn't all year. It just doesn't suit our strengths. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-19-2006, 10:05 PM	#25
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Our Problem: Rushing The line I'm tired of is the "locker room leader" thing. We keep hearing that about guys like Wynn and Philip Daniels, Jansen and many, many others. Their "leadership" has gotten us nowhere. At some point these 'leaders' have to start making plays. Not only that, what happens when you've got a room full of 'leaders' ? That means most everyone goes in different directions. There's supposed to be one leader, and 53 followers. That's Gibbs and his team. This organization is f'ed up from top to bottom.

11-20-2006, 12:41 AM	#27
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 45 Posts: 2,958	Re: Our Problem: Rushing running outside the tackles can work, but it has to be complimented with something. betts is an awesome reciever out of the backfield, but he couldn't hit a hole if there was hair around it and it was dripping full of KY. Cartwright has the best burst of the backups, and Duckett is looking decent when he gets touches... Hell Sellers could get the call more often if it were up to me... betts hits a line and falls down too quickly.... I don't know if its entirely his fault, but portis is a better runner hands down. __________________ I am the brute squad.

11-20-2006, 12:43 AM	#29
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Our Problem: Rushing of course rushing is a problem when our backs get to carry 15 times the whole game combined. u gotta run the ball even if u arent getting yards, definitely more than 15 total times. feed it to them consistently and more yards will come, and that comes down to the playcalling __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

11-20-2006, 07:07 AM	#30
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: Our Problem: Rushing There was one particular play that I thought was interesting when we got to the endzone yesterday . We had run from the 5 got stuffed, run picked up a couple and looked like it was another run when Gibbs was running down the sideline trying to call a time out . When the offence came back they lined up looking to run then called the play action getting the score . i am wondering how much of an input Gibbs actually has on these goal line plays?

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