Hilary Clinton to run for President

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by hooskins

...They are just trying to stir their base which is a tiny part of the US population...

The Dems ignoring this 'tiny' part of the US population for the better part of a decade is one reason why they can't win the presidency.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

The Dems ignoring this 'tiny' part of the US population for the better part of a decade is one reason why they can't win the presidency.

True, but unfortunately if the Dem base came out just a little bit stronger in the polls then they would dominate every election. The main problem is the minority and youth vote never comes out strong. Hopefully this election more voters will see the path our country is tumbling down and they will vote for change.

[dmek25]

hey firstdown, check your pm

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

this is a fabricated story, along with the weapons of mass destruction, that the republicans wanted the public to believe in, so that w could invade iraq. and finish something his daddy couldnt

Are you saying that the WMDs was made up? I think it is generally accepted that EVERYONE, including the Brits, Germans and hell even the French were SURE they had weapons. I am not saying the other stuff wasn't stretched but I am tired of hearing about the BS WMD lie. No one lied. They were just wrong.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i think what matty is trying to say, to use an example, is like when the swift boat repulicans denounced john keryys wartime experience. for the most part, no one in the party said a word, they just stood by silently, and took it. here was a decorated war veteran, getting dragged thru the mud, and the democrats let it happen

I would argue that for every swift boat load of crap(which it was) there is a WMD lie load of crap.. Neither side gets to claim the high road.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you saying that the WMDs was made up? I think it is generally accepted that EVERYONE, including the Brits, Germans and hell even the French were SURE they had weapons. I am not saying the other stuff wasn't stretched but I am tired of hearing about the BS WMD lie. No one lied. They were just wrong.

OMG, I am speechless. We have clear evidence and the whole yellow cake thing escapes your mind? The fact that the CIA had some reservations about the claim doesn't bother you? That's not wrong, that's world mass deception.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you saying that the WMDs was made up? I think it is generally accepted that EVERYONE, including the Brits, Germans and hell even the French were SURE they had weapons. I am not saying the other stuff wasn't stretched but I am tired of hearing about the BS WMD lie. No one lied. They were just wrong.

i disagree with this, but.. it would have been a whole lot easier to swallow if bush and the boys would have come out and said this. look folks, we were wrong. never a peep, still declaring they(wmd) are in iraq, somewhere

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by saden1

OMG, I am speechless. We have clear evidence and the whole yellow cake thing escapes your mind? The fact that the CIA had some reservations about the claim doesn't bother you? That's not wrong, that's world mass deception.

the thing that bothers me about this is, the CIA and the FBI existed for years and years, but never worked together? someone way back when should have handled this. they should be sharing info, and working hand and hand, to better our security

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

OMG, I am speechless. We have clear evidence and the whole yellow cake thing escapes your mind? The fact that the CIA had some reservations about the claim doesn't bother you? That's not wrong, that's world mass deception.

The CIA had qualms about the African Uranium claims not WMDs in general. It was accepted worldwide that they had WMDs. That is the truth. You are the one forgetting. The only person saying they didn't was Hans Blix who everyone thought was a nut. Apparently we should have listened.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the thing that bothers me about this is, the CIA and the FBI existed for years and years, but never worked together? someone way back when should have handled this. they should be sharing info, and working hand and hand, to better our security

Wow. Didn't think I'd agree with you on anything in this thread.

But yeah, the CIA, FBI, & NSA (among others) should have been working hand in hand all these years to protect us. Unfortunately past presidents didn't see it that way.

I don't agree with everything Louis Freeh did as Director of the FBI, but he was on the right track when he went to Clinton in the mid to late 90s to try and break down the wall of separation between the FBI and CIA. Clinton wouldn't have any of it, unfortunately. I like to think that if he knew then what he knows now he would have listened to Director Freeh.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Wow. Didn't think I'd agree with you on anything in this thread.

But yeah, the CIA, FBI, & NSA (among others) should have been working hand in hand all these years to protect us. Unfortunately past presidents didn't see it that way.

I don't agree with everything Louis Freeh did as Director of the FBI, but he was on the right track when he went to Clinton in the mid to late 90s to try and break down the wall of separation between the FBI and CIA. Clinton wouldn't have any of it, unfortunately. I like to think that if he knew then what he knows now he would have listened to Director Freeh.

do you have any idea on why, no one wanted these govt organizations working hand in hand? it seems like that would make alot of sense

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

do you have any idea on why, no one wanted these govt organizations working hand in hand? it seems like that would make alot of sense

I have stopped trying to figure out what these people do. I think the institutional rivalries are just so deep seeded and the political atmosphere in DC is so rancorous and divided that politicians don't even try to do what is right any more. They just do what is easiest. And I guess it was easiest to not do anything. I don't blame Clinton. If he couldn't navigate the political waters to make something liek that happen then no one could. I am pretty disenfrachised about our government in almost every respect.

[dmek25]

BOTH parties have become more about their parties interests, and forgetting about what the PEOPLE want. and if the opposite party has an idea, it is the worst idea ever, regardless of how good it is.

[SmootSmack]

Did you know....9 years ago today is when the Monica Lewinsky story first broke? Crazy that it's been that long ago.

Also, breaking news...Steven Spielberg, Will Smith, Tom Hanks, and Julia Roberts have all said they're throwing their support behind Obama and not Hillary. Considering the success of the candidate they threw their support behind in 2004 I'd say Hill is now a lock

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the thing that bothers me about this is, the CIA and the FBI existed for years and years, but never worked together? someone way back when should have handled this. they should be sharing info, and working hand and hand, to better our security

Not sure of the ladies name but in the Clinton administration she made it illegal (not sure if thats the right term) to make sharing info a no no. The reason I remember this is because their was a fuss about her sitting as a member on the 9/11 commission because she would be investigating stuff she did.