KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.

LOL seriously.

I guarantee that if the Patriots were down to their 3rd option at LG, they would be hurting too.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're unrealistic. There simply aren't enough quality players in the league, or enough room under the salary cap, for the team to have THREE LEGIT OPTIONS at LG.

They had Wade, a talented career-starter at T, who could make the switch. They had Whitticker, a huge body in the mold of Dockery, 340-350 pounds. And you want them to have a 3rd G option either with Wade's athleticism or Whitticker's size?

That's unrealistic. I think Gibbs and Bugel looked at it from all angles, but the salary cap doesn't allow you to stack 3 great players up at every position. In the end, they're the victims of some rough luck with Whitticker's injury.

Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic.

In hindsight it's unrealistic. It seemed reasonable at the time. You wouldn't substitute your judgement about offensive line for Gibbs' or Bugel's would you? Everybody's a genius after the fact.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.

Why did we need to draft a G with a 4th or 5th rounder when we found a guy with Whitticker's size & talent without having to spend a draft pick?

I can see the point on Wade, but it's not like he was the only option.

[Schneed10]

Besides, what guarantee do you have that said 4th or 5th rounder would fare any better than Todd Wade?

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Why did we need to draft a G with a 4th or 5th rounder when we found a guy with Whitticker's size & talent without having to spend a draft pick?

I can see the point on Wade, but it's not like he was the only option.

What did Whitticker ever show besides practice? Taylor Jacobs tore it up in practice too. Whitticker must not have been that awesome if he couldn't stick with the Packers, I mean he may have shown something in practice but to say he was a legitimate LG in this league is a stretch.

[paulskinsfan]

I mean, looking back Gibbs and Company had plans to replace Dockery with Whitticker, who I'll give you by reports tore it up in practice but couldn't stick with the lowly Packers, and Wade, a guy who was changing positions. So to say all was well at LG until Whitticker went down isn't exactly accurate.

[memphisskin]

Wade is huge and athletic, if Bugel said he could turn him into a guard then I'll have to go with Bugel. Whitticker doesn't get hurt and we get to see what he could do in games, but right now all we have to go by is practice reports.

I love these 13 pages by the way, great toilet reading!

[skinsnut]

Anyone know what becomes of Whittiker?
I know he's cut and has a high ankle sprain...I think those are 6 week injuries.
Any chance of the skins picking him back up week 3 or so?
Or are we set at guard?

What are your thoughts?

[paulskinsfan]

I was surprised they cut Whitticker, could they have put him on the IR or do you think they were hoping to pick him up later?

[Redskins_P]

I don't think we can judge this move until we see Kendall on the field. If he comes out and contributes, I bet most of us here will forget about what we gave up for him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

What did Whitticker ever show besides practice? Taylor Jacobs tore it up in practice too. Whitticker must not have been that awesome if he couldn't stick with the Packers, I mean he may have shown something in practice but to say he was a legitimate LG in this league is a stretch.

Whit went from 7th round pick to all-rookie starting guard in 2005. But injuries plus a change in philosophy at Green Bay (more zone blocking) forced him out the door in 2006.

He may not be a stud, but he's shown he can play in this league

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Whit went from 7th round pick to all-rookie starting guard in 2005. But injuries plus a change in philosophy at Green Bay (more zone blocking) forced him out the door in 2006.

He may not be a stud, but he's shown he can play in this league

Oh I agree, he did start for the Pack along with another rookie Guard, and Brett Farve was running for his life. I shouldn't say that really, I just remember their line being bad, but I can't remember how many sacks, etc.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Its not unrealistic when you are asking a career tackle in Wade to totally change positions and he struggles very very early on. What he's saying is that if the front office would have used a 4-5 rounder on a decent o-lineman sometime over the past 4 years, then we would be in a better position. Wade struggled from the get go, and to say "he could make the switch" just because he was a big guy who played tackle, that was unrealistic. Saying we ever had 3 legit LGs, that seems way, way off.

Take a look at the skins drafts in the last 4 years...

2007
1. LaRon Landry SAF Louisiana State
5. Dallas Sartz LB USC
6. H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6. Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7. Tyler Ecker TE Michigan

2006
2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami - 35th overall
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Reed Doughty, S, North Colorado - 173rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall
7. Kevin Simon, ILB, Tennessee - 250th overall


2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)


2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, UtahState - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall


They have taken a chance on some late round Offensive linemen they just didn't pan out. As you can all see the odds of a late round pick making a major impact or even making the team is the exception not the norm. Please stop complaining about a 4th/5th round pick. Pete Kendall is a good Guard who will help this team for the next few years. Manual White will never help this team.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

Take a look at the skins drafts in the last 4 years...

2007
1. LaRon Landry SAF Louisiana State
5. Dallas Sartz LB USC
6. H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6. Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7. Tyler Ecker TE Michigan

2006
2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami - 35th overall
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Reed Doughty, S, North Colorado - 173rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall
7. Kevin Simon, ILB, Tennessee - 250th overall


2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)


2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, UtahState - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall


They have taken a chance on some late round Offensive linemen they just didn't pan out. As you can all see the odds of a late round pick making a major impact or even making the team is the exception not the norm. Please stop complaining about a 4th/5th round pick. Pete Kendall is a good Guard who will help this team for the next few years. Manual White will never help this team.

And they tried to bring Wilson and Molinaro along. It just didn't pan out. I think people are overstating our O-lines problems. Good depth doesn't mean you have 10 Pro-Bowlers. Good depth means you can lose one or two guys and still function reasonably well. I think when the regular season comes and they unleash the full running game with traps and tosses and delays and all the things they haven't run yet, we will find that the offensive line is a strength of this team. Kendall is just the last peice of the puzzle. Mark my words...