Its time for joe to step down.

[Jamaican'Skin]

I saw we fire the whole team, move to Montana and start an expansion team.



Psych

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly DID NOT come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They only rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.

Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yep. You go with what works and what had been working. Campbell was on target yesterday, then they tried to get cute and fake everybody out on a draw play.

I'd be willing to bet that Gibbs was ready to settle for three to begin with, and put it on the backs of the defense, who'd been scorched all day by Westbrook. It's the same strategy we've seen all year.

Are we honestly going to assume that the defense is going to be lights out and close the victory every single time? Why not let the offense do it for a change?

We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

With the way Campbell had been performing up to that point, I like his chances better than that of a draw play. Certainly nothing is automatic, and it could be that no matter what we tried, it just wasn't meant to be that we win this game.

As for the coaches, I've addressed that here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We were definitely trying.

We didn't succeed. Why does the blame for that automatically fall on the coaching staff? Why? I need a reason.

What reason did we have to think that throwing the ball from the seven would be an automatic touchdown?

First and goal at the three, you are going to score a TD 80% of the time. 80% is not a certainty. Once you get backed up to the 7 on third down, that's now like 30-35%. Obviously the 3rd down call isn't what ruined our chances to score.

4 mins to go, no timeouts, and 70 yards to go each one of them need for a touchdown is pretty steep odds to win. I would not have passed up a chance to put a team in that position. To me, that is going for the jugular.

Once you have them down to those slim odds, you just have to execute. On the screen pass, we just got lazy. That's why we lost.

Good post

[redduke44]

thanks,your right.

Originally Posted by twinskinsfan

No one is going anywhere, we are 5-4 the season is still somewhat young. The problem with Gibbs this time around is that you CANNOT WIN WITH CONSERVATISM. This league is changed so much that it is an "attack" game. In the 80's and 90's you could get away with it. You can't win being conservative!

[redduke44]

Injuries are a part of the game,stop making excuesses for joe gibbs.Im a big joe gibbs fan,dont get me wrong,but the game has passed him bye.Ive been supporting him since day one,Hell I drive a ford and pull for tony stewart,so give me a break.It is what it!

Originally Posted by twinskinsfan

And jsarno guy is right, injuries will kill a team. Be thankful for 5-4, instead of 0-9.

[redduke44]

Thanks for keeping real my redskin brother.What they gonna say next week when the cowboys beat the brakes off us in texas.T.O. is gonna run wild on us and we,ll be trying to kick field golds on fourth and inches.

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What explains last season then? I just see a guy doing the " they fought their guts out" routine when they lose a game they deserved to win most of the time. Clock management has stunk all season, the penalties hve been a problem as of late. The injuries have hurt us, plus the lack of execution earlier in the season also. Thing is not much has changed in terms of team attitude from the Norv era. Norv was too laid back, Spurrier was like "Awwwwww Shucks we lost" also. Now we just hear "They fought their guts out". No killer instinct at all and not much imagination. Those lack of attributes you can't blame on injuries!!!!!!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

With the way Campbell had been performing up to that point, I like his chances better than that of a draw play. Certainly nothing is automatic, and it could be that no matter what we tried, it just wasn't meant to be that we win this game.

As for the coaches, I've addressed that here.

Very well put. People are mad because the way JC had been performing. He was having a great day and you take the ball out of his hands? For what??? The draw play was simply a terrible terrible call. If it was on the 3-4 yard line then fine. But 7 yards is too far.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

On the flipside we've seen the heavy jumbo formation work plenty of times this year... so if it worked yesterday and we scored 6 would this even be an issue?

Philly got great penetration, that's us losing the critical man on a man battles.

Well it didn't work against the two division rivals that we needed to beat. It may work against The Jets or some other bad teams.

[redduke44]

Its not gonna happen,so dont do this to yourself,I been doing this the last couple of years and all I have got is laughed at by all the cowboys,giants and eagles fans at my job it SUCKS dude,not to mention the money I lost on side bets.It is what it is.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What will your assessment be when this team finishes the season strong at 10-6, completely turning things around from what it was a year ago? As a Redskins fan, I would assume you'd hope for the best and be supportive of the team.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by redduke44

He doesnt have that killer in his eyes.Keep greg williams,bring in bill cower now ,we are are not going anywhere and thats the fact.Joe gibbs is too soft we should have put them away on that fourthdown call,bump a fieldgoal(and thats putting it nicley).I love joe gibbs like a father but this has went too far for too long.Lets keep it real redskins fans,this game has passed him bye and he knows it and we all know it!Its hard but its fair!

Give me a break. The game has passed him by, please!

[offiss]

I for one can't believe all this hate for Gibbs, doesn't any one remember all he's done for us in the past? Don't you know what a nice man he is? Not to mention he probably makes some of the best tasting kool aid of all time, I can't believe you would all throw him under the bus like this?

I for one hope Gibbs doesn't step down! I want to see Danny fire him!

[redduke44]

You get my thread of the day award,its sad but its true!Keep yo head up,cause I work with some of the worst cowboy fans in history,its gonna get ugly!

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

Thats the best thing about this forum, your absolutely in no way allowed to question anything that has to do with the Redskins. If you dont drink the Kool-aid your an idiot who has no idea what your talking about, your not allowed to speak out at all against the coaching staff. There will be no "extend Joe Gibbs contract" threads next week because we are going to get absolutely demolished by Dallas. If Sean Taylor cant go and Gregg Williams decides to play the same dumb ass zone defense that has allowed teams to take advantage of the underneath plays were going to be embarrassed. We needed to win this game badly, if you cant see that than your Burgundy and gold glasses are on a little to tight. Joe Gibbs not only cost us this game but he cost us the Giants game as well. We won the Cardinals,Jets and Dolphins game by pure luck. Conservative play gets you nowhere in the NFL and if you think were just one or two plays away from being a great team in the NFC you are sadly mistaken.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

I for one can't believe all this hate for Gibbs, doesn't any one remember all he's done for us in the past? Don't you know what a nice man he is? Not to mention he probably makes some of the best tasting kool aid of all time, I can't believe you would all throw him under the bus like this?

Nope, I'm an idiot who has no idea what Gibbs did for this franchise.